You'll have to excuse my ignorance but...

[HandSpeed303]

Oh it was absolutely after Williams. Margs was one foot from the boxing grave. A loss after Williams would have meant the end of his career.

How? When that was the first time he lost at welter since he was a teen?....

[Doctor_Tenma]

He came on very strong in the late rounds against Paul Williams. Williams won round 1-7 easily, then all of a sudden Margarito was able to hurt Paul, something he wasn't able to do early on. Keep in mind, he also K.O'd Sergio Martinez, this guy might have worked his way up cheating for all we know.

Again, this is just an opinion, I wouldn't throw around as a fact.

[larry x]

But he was fighting Golden johnson and Cintron( A mentally weak fighter imo)...

dont forget cotto

[HandSpeed303]

Oh it was absolutely after Williams. Margs was one foot from the boxing grave. A loss after Williams would have meant the end of his career.

Please don't belive the HBO segment saying his career was over after the lost...If Zab can come back, you best belive Margo was not done after that loss.

[larry x]

How? When that was the first time he lost at welter since he was a teen?....

bt 2 loses in a packed division puts you nowhere..exspecially when you wernt a big name to begin with

[larry x]

Please don't belive the HBO segment saying his career was over after the lost...If Zab can come back, you best belive Margo was not done after that loss.

zab is 10 times more popular than margo

[Welter_Skelter]

I think it's safe to say.. that if he tried to use them against the guy who lost to the guy he beat.. Then he probably used them against the guy he beat as well..

[HandSpeed303]

bt 2 loses in a packed division puts you nowhere..exspecially when you wernt a big name to begin with

Nevermind Larry...You just don't get it.

no one, NO ONE, but the haters held the losses as a teen against him. Paul Williams was his first loss in like 12 years...

Why cheat?

[Pullcounter]

... did 'Plaster' influence every single fight Margarito has been involved in?

its possible and probable, but there's no evidence. we only know that he attempted to cheat against mosley. we don't know anything else about prior bouts, especially because he was never caught before by boxing commissions or other trainers who are allowed and expected to be present during the handwrapping.

I don't. I happen to think the guy is a top notch boxer with skills.

Carry on.

I think he was a limited brawler with a granite chin.

[HandSpeed303]

zab is 10 times more popular than margo

You were talking in terms of losses Larry...Please don't get sidetracked.