Wladimir vs Chagaev: For Undisputed Title?

[larry x]

Logically, Wlad would be undisputed. He already is at this point. But as a matter of official record, if he ain't got the WBC belt wit all the others, he wouldn't be undisputed.

wlad s the man tho and with the ring belt it would just be knwo=kliskcho new world order...they will seriously own the division...wow..thats never happened before..thats historic 2 brothers..same division..all the titles

[Silver Shamrock]

linear=ring belt
or the man who beat the man who beat the man

So who was the last Lineal Champion? Vitali or Lewis? Didn't Vitali win the Ring Belt by beating Corey Sanders?

[crold1]

linear=ring belt
or the man who beat the man who beat the man

Lineal sometimes = Ring; sometimes it does not.

See Ring's ridiculous, stubborn refusal to call a my bad at 112.

[crold1]

So who was the last Lineal Champion? Vitali or Lewis? Didn't Vitali win the Ring Belt by beating Corey Sanders?

Lewis was. Vitali got jock rode into the number one contenders spot without ever beating a Ring rated top ten contender before Sanders (unless Herbie Hide YEARS earlier was...I have to look that up). By all rights, off the Rahman and Oquendo WINS, sick as it makes me, even with the Jones loss, Ruiz had a better claim to the number one spot than anyone in early 04.

[sylvestersweet]

If Wlad wins the undisputed champ will be a Klitschko. The question is, which one? We'll probably never know.

[larry x]

lewis was the real last lineal champ but since he retired..the linearship was vacant..if wlad wins the new reign starts then

[Jim Jeffries]

Lewis was. Vitali got jock rode into the number one contenders spot without ever beating a Ring rated top ten contender before Sanders (unless Herbie Hide YEARS earlier was...I have to look that up). By all rights, off the Rahman and Oquendo WINS, sick as it makes me, even with the Jones loss, Ruiz had a better claim to the number one spot than anyone in early 04.

Ruiz that then got beat by Valuev ,who then got beat by Chagaev, and also beaten by Chagaev himself? Looks like the winner of this would get that as well.

[crold1]

Ruiz that then got beat by Valuev ,who then got beat by Chagaev, and also beaten by Chagaev himself? Looks like the winner of this would get that as well.

Just talking about what was in early 04. Vitali is a better fighter than a lot of guys, but his record only started to become worth note in his last few fights.

There's a hell of a case that his last two wins are the best of his whole career. He didn't belong in the #1 spot yet after the Lewis loss and a win over a whale-ish Johnson. Ring was reaching and took so much ish for that sanction they started their advisory ratings so they could poll before making 1-3 sanctions.

[Enayze]

Wladimir vs Vitali for the Undisputed Heavyweight Championship of the world.

[lennon]

Wlad wouldn't be undisputed if he won. He'd be lineal tho.

No, he wouldnt be lineal either. Lewis was the lineal champ and the line from Lewis runs to Vitali Klitschko through the WBC belt. All the other belts result from paper championship eliminaters for vacant titles while Lewis was still The champ. The one true championship retired by Lewis is held by Vitali, he is as close to lineal that we have right now.