David Haye Was Medically Cleared For July 25 To Fight

[knn]

I stopped here.

Damn. For a moment I thought you had some valid counterfacts.

Instead it seems to be another case of "The good old times"-nostalgia that doesn't survive scrutiny.

[Nuurzhaelan]

How do you **** out your mouth (or in this case your keyboard)? I did not think they were connected. I gave an opinion. Perhaps, as you quoth earlier, the truth hurts?

[Dave Rado]

Back injuries can be debilitating. I know because I have had a couple in my powerlifting time...but given his hand 'injury' excuse and now this, it seems as though he is just an excuse generating coward.

The so-called "hand injury" was a press concoction and had nothing to do with Haye's camp. Booth emailed Boente that he was injured but didn't specify what the injury was. Some sections of the press then went into speculative overdrive and claimed it was a hand injury but it was just press speculation. The next day Booth gave the details of the injury, which was a back injury. It has to be verified by the British Boxing Board of Control, and in any case the idea that Haye would destroy his own career and throw away millions of pounds by faking an injury is so silly it's laughable.

[Dave Rado]

Damn. For a moment I thought you had some valid counterfacts.

Instead it seems to be another case of "The good old times"-nostalgia that doesn't survive scrutiny.

You're funny.

Actually more people watch the old Ali fights than the fights of any other fighter. And there is not a single reputable boxing analyst who rates Ali lower than #2 in the Heavyweight ATG list.

[Enayze]

Seriously it's pathetic how all these Wlad nut-huggers are so happy he's not fighting Haye now. That really only means one thing..you was scared Wlad was gonna get KTFO. If you wasn't then why wouldn't you wanna see Wlad shutting Haye up?

Haye is a joke, the only thing Klitschko fans are happy about is that Haye is not gonna screw Wlad out of a fight again by falsely claiming he will be ready for july 11th. Chaegaev will add the WBA and Ring Belt to Wlads collection, he is much more worthwhile than Haye.

Only thing Haye has going for him is money, and that really makes not that much difference for Klitschko who is already swimming in it.

[knn]

You're funny.

Actually more people watch the old Ali fights than the fights of any other fighter. And there is not a single reputable boxing analyst who rates Ali lower than #2 in the Heavyweight ATG list.

1. That is because they upgrade his cruiserfights to heavyweight fights. Just like Toney is suddenly a heavyweight with a *cough* heavyweight record of 71-6 JUST BECAUSE he got fatter. You have to count cruiserweight opponents for the cruiserweight record and keep them out of the heavyweight record.
2. Obviously they are not comparing records but "some fights of Ali" with "some fights of someone else". A basic mistake in all comparisons. You cannot compare merely someone's best performance and neglect the whole career.

Ali is an ATG. But he can be soooo boring. Clinches twice as much as Klitschko by the way (I stopwatched), KOs seldomly and has no defense whatsoever. You cannot consider Klitschko a boring fighter without considering Ali an even more boring fighter.

Just watch Ali vs Norton, any round any time: Basically all of Norton's jabs land, even the slowest ones. HOW CAN THIS CRAP BE GOOD?

Or watch Ali vs Earnie Terrell (WBA world heavyweight title, Terell at that time 38-4). Ali runs away the whole fight, Terell has no clue what to do, as soon as he comes closer to Ali, Ali clinches, grabs his neck and insults him. Ali lands some weak shots (how could they be strong when he is punching while running backwards?). My god ANY modern heavy would walk THROUGH Terell. Ali went 15 rounds with him. Ali's record is full of such "good guys" like Terell.

• Ali had merely 15 (FIFTEEN!) KOs in his entire heavyweight career (200+) How can this be exciting?
• 7 of these KOs were against bums like Miteff (26-13) or Besmanoff (51-34).
• The rest against doubtful opposition like
  • half-blind Frazier
  • probably drugged Foreman
  • gunshot-wounded Cleveland Williams
  • Jimmy Ellis who boxed as low as 155 lbs.
• Ali's record has a lot of such doubtful opponents like
  • 25 years older Archie Moore
  • George Chuvalo, who is actually OK but has lost 12 of his 19 bouts against somewhat good 200+ opponents
• Ali's AVERAGE opponent was 205 lbs. Wlad IN HIS ENTIRE CAREER HAS not fought anyone as low as that.
• Ali's HEAVIEST OPPONENT he ever KOed within 12 was 223 lbs. That is lighter than Wlads AVERAGE opponent.
• Remember Wlad vs Ibragimov? The small guy (Ibragimov) was as heavy as Foreman when Ali fought him.

Get real people. Ali's fights were basically pumped up cruiserweight fights. Basically what the cruiser division is now. Noone is interested in that anymore. Watch some real heavyweight fights like Lennox vs Klitschko or Platov vs Williams.

[beez721]

Wasn't July 11th Hayes opinion hence why the Klitschko team wanted to hear what the doctor had to say? Haye's not untrustworthy he's just too brave for his own good and probably would of fought on July 11th half-injured.

too brave? LOL if he was brave he'd be in there fighting even at less than 100% if he even is less than that

[Ray*]

too brave? LOL if he was brave he'd be in there fighting even at less than 100% if he even is less than that

Yeah, I guess he isnt brave enough to fight with a bad back...

[Dave Rado]

too brave? LOL if he was brave he'd be in there fighting even at less than 100% if he even is less than that

Like Vitali did against Rahman in 2005, I suppose.

[The Hammer]

I see in other threads some people still haven't heard Haye would not have able to fight on July 11.

They should read this article to get their facts straight.