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  • LEFTYGUNZZ
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    #51
    Originally posted by reedickyaluss
    He was clinching but it wasnt because he was hurt IMO... he didnt look hurt, he didnt act hurt, he wasnt stumbling, he didnt look faded or out of it... he had his balance the entire time... He was clinching to try and stop Colazzos momentum, he threw a punch and clinched to not give luis a chance to fire back or counter...

    He was stunned, when that clean punch landed.

    Collazo kept coming at him full speed, full force, and Berto was trying to slow his pace down.

    I did not see him holding because he was hurt and out of it.
    Reed I never said he was completely out of it I said he was hurt and he was holding on. You said he wasn't holding you said he was fine fired right back and started boxing again. Merely a stumble off balance shot. He was hit clean and knocked backwards. He was actually on his way in when Collazo caught him. He was holding afterwards not that he was on rubber legs but he was defintely trying to shake his cobwebs out. He probably didn't expect Collazo to be able to hurt him and he got surprised. But he was defintely holding cause he was indeed hurt Reed. If he wasn't hurt being the type of fighter he is maybe he would have gotten on his bicycle but he couldnt out run Collazo he couldn't outbox Collazo and he learned that he could be hurt by Collazo. He was holding on because he was hurt not in serious trouble a punch or two away from being in serious trouble. watch the fight again Reed watch that round again Reed. Right around 5:10 or so Berto finally gets the cobwebs out and feels well enough to go on the attack. He was no longer hurt but after a few punches and combinations he starts to retreat again and holds 2 more times before the end of the round. not because he was hurt but now because he knew he could be hurt and was being cautious....lefty

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      #52
      Originally posted by LEFTYGUNZZ
      Reed I never said he was completely out of it I said he was hurt and he was holding on. You said he wasn't holding you said he was fine fired right back and started boxing again. Merely a stumble off balance shot. He was hit clean and knocked backwards. He was actually on his way in when Collazo caught him. He was holding afterwards not that he was on rubber legs but he was defintely trying to shake his cobwebs out. He probably didn't expect Collazo to be able to hurt him and he got surprised. But he was defintely holding cause he was indeed hurt Reed. If he wasn't hurt being the type of fighter he is maybe he would have gotten on his bicycle but he couldnt out run Collazo he couldn't outbox Collazo and he learned that he could be hurt by Collazo. He was holding on because he was hurt not in serious trouble a punch or two away from being in serious trouble. watch the fight again Reed watch that round again Reed. Right around 5:10 or so Berto finally gets the cobwebs out and feels well enough to go on the attack. He was no longer hurt but after a few punches and combinations he starts to retreat again and holds 2 more times before the end of the round. not because he was hurt but now because he knew he could be hurt and was being cautious....lefty
      I did watch the round LEFTY. He got stunned by a clean shot lefty. He was holding to stop Collazo's momentum lefty. Collazo was coming in fast and crazy, and Berto was trying to stop that LEFTY. He was momentarily stunned, and was fine shortly after.... lefty. I watched him throw a punch and then tie up again... lefty. To try and stop Collazos momentum, lefty. Berto was holding in the Urango fight too, lefty. He was never hurt in the Urango fight lefty. But he still held lefty. Just like he did in this fight lefty. He was definitey stunned, but the falling into the ropes WAS because he was thrown off balance................ REED.

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        #53
        Lets agree to disagree my man....Got nothing but love for ya homie.....Lefty

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          #54
          Yup..... We both agree he was stunned... I just dont think he was as stunned, as long as you think he was. I just think Collazo saw that he stunned Berto and Collazo WENT ALL OUT after him, and Berto was simply trying to stop him coming in so fast.. thats my $.02.

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            #55
            Originally posted by reedickyaluss
            Yup..... We both agree he was stunned... I just dont think he was as stunned, as long as you think he was. I just think Collazo saw that he stunned Berto and Collazo WENT ALL OUT after him, and Berto was simply trying to stop him coming in so fast.. thats my $.02.
            I here you sir I think he was hurt from 4:07 to about 4:48 or 40 seconds from that straight left hand and after he recovered about 5:05 or so he went on the all out attack. but I defintely saw the round the way I saw it and you saw it differently. This is why judges score rounds differently and sometimes people are upset with decisions right? Berto has skill and defintely grit but I think he needs to lessen up on the holding a bit and use his wheels to avoid getting hit....Lefty

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              #56
              Agreed... the holding has got to go, and i think it has to do with his stamina.. he seems to need short breaks...

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                #57
                Originally posted by reedickyaluss
                How much? He will continue to improve... he JUST turned 25... you think he will no longer improve? no longer learn new things? thats insane.
                He will be 26 in less than 4 months REED......He is not that young for god sake Ricky hatton is 30 and people are saying he is finished....Fernando Vargas fought Trinindad 5 days before his 23rd birthday. He was 24 when he stepped in the ring with Oscar De La Hoya. Berto haas been handled with kid gloves long enough it is time to let him get in there with a real threat so we can see what he can do. I stated this yesterday and I stand on my position he never really tried to hurt or go after urango even after he learned that was the better boxer faster and stronger man. He had plenty of rounds in the bank in everybodys mind he was trying to make a statement but instead of punching and moving he was grabbing and hugging us to sleep....Lefty

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                  #58
                  Man, I wasn't impressed with my boy on Saturday. The first 4-5 rounds were pretty exciting, there were a few exchanges but that was about it, after that he basically held and ran the whole night and flashed a little speed here and there. I think they are making him slug less now and focus on moving but he's really paying a price for it. I was falling asleep mid through the fight and I was there live, the crowd wasn't into it after the 6th round, even his Haitian posse was just like whatever and would cheer only when he landed a quick right or uppercut but the fight lost all the momentum it had from that point on.

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by ShalafiV.2
                    Man, I wasn't impressed with my boy on Saturday. The first 4-5 rounds were pretty exciting, there were a few exchanges but that was about it, after that he basically held and ran the whole night and flashed a little speed here and there. I think they are making him slug less now and focus on moving but he's really paying a price for it. I was falling asleep mid through the fight and I was there live, the crowd wasn't into it after the 6th round, even his Haitian posse was just like whatever and would cheer only when he landed a quick right or uppercut but the fight lost all the momentum it had from that point on.
                    That is pretty bad when you are there live and you are falling asleep. How was the crowd during the Cintron fight?....Lefty

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by LEFTYGUNZZ
                      That is pretty bad when you are there live and you are falling asleep. How was the crowd during the Cintron fight?....Lefty
                      Crowd was insane during the Cintron-Angulo fight, there were a lot of Boricuas and a handful of Mexicans a long with some Colombians/South Americans cheering for Perro. I say the Boricuas were the loudest during the fight. I have yet to see the fight on TV but it was a very exciting fight throughout even though my boy lost. Hell that should of been the main event, it would of woken up a lot of people.

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