HBO fight night weights are UNOFFICIAL

[deanrw]

deanrw,

I understand the premise. And I disagree that Mayweather has as much business fighting Pavlik as Marquez, for a multitude of factors. But we can disagree on that. I can think you're silly, you can think likewise.


But don't attempt to speak for me as you did here,





Characterizing my posts as those of one with an agenda geared to one fighter, while you laugh it up with a chump who comes in with an agenda clearly geared against that fighter, shows you up.

My thoughts on fight night weights apply the whole way around.

Funny I never saw this fight night weight argument being relevant at all in these forums until certain individuals started swinging around their agenda or "Floyd argument" in an attempt to quash and argue the many who called Floyd out for targeting smaller guys. It was a total non issue.

So am I saying you have an agenda? Yes you do.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

That is Floyd's decision!

And it's Marquez' decision to meet Mayweather at 144. His decision to meet the terms of the fight, as with any fighter.

Judah is the one who decided he had to fight the welterweights. He was not forced into the fight. It sucks for him that he is a smaller welter like Cotto and Floyd, but it is the path he took.

Were't you complaining that people only express concern over this issue in defence of Floyd? People in this topic have also been talking about the issue of lopsided fight night weights in general, that's how the thread got started. Until people came in with their Mayweather obsessions.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

Funny I never saw this fight night weight argument being relevant at all in these forums until certain individuals started swinging around their agenda or "Floyd argument" in an attempt to quash and argue the many who called Floyd out for targeting smaller guys. It was a total non issue.

So am I saying you have an agenda? Yes you do.

So how many smaller guys has Floyd targeted?


Lopsided fight-night weights have never been a cause of concern prior to the Mayweather drama of the last 18 months? Really?



I have no agenda. I like fighters and I will speak in defence of them against pathetic pissing and moaning, wherever I see it and have the energy to spare. You have postively repped me for this in other lives. And I have had many here.

[S.G.]

There are rules setup for a reason regarding day before weight-ins. They are there to allow a fighter who is low on fluids, to rebuild his fluids that will keep him safer. A dehydrated body has less protective fluid surrounding the brain. It is necessary to keep a fighter hydrated.

So many will argue that Floyd fights at the same weight he was the day before. That is Floyd's decision! So I guess old school rules apply to him. Good enough. Nobody should be expected to go by Floyd's rules. They go by official rules and Floyd's does not apply.

While this is all true, it still doesn't change the fact that fight night weight does in fact make a difference, and can leave fighters with unfair advantages.

It's not a case of the more you weigh on fight night, the bigger advantage you have. It's a case of rehydrating into a comfortable fighting weight that happens to be well above the fighting weight they are officially supposedly fighting at. Thus giving them an unnatural advantage over the guy who's optimal weight is actually within his weight classes boundaries

None of this bull**** got argued before Floyd came back. Floyd is not a career super feather. He grew out of that weight class naturally. Is that is the case Pacquiao should be fighting flyweights still.

A career weight is what a fighter naturally grows into. Floyd basically grew into a Jr. Welterweight size wise. Marquez grew into a Jr. Lightweight. Manny naturally grew into a Jr. Lightweight.

Who's to say which weight a fighter has naturally grown into and which they have moved up to for more challenging competition, or higher fiscal rewards

if we're talking about what weight we believe the fighter's body size/shape looks most suited to i'd agree with what you say except put Pacquiao at lightweight, but fighters of that quality can easily fight above their natural weights at a very high standard...

the individual fighter and their individual qualities are more important than some official weight class...

[deanrw]

And it's Marquez' decision to meet Mayweather at 144. His decision to meet the terms of the fight, as with any fighter.





Were't you complaining that people only express concern over this issue in defence of Floyd? People in this topic have also been talking about the issue of lopsided fight night weights in general, that's how the thread got started. Until people came in with their Mayweather obsessions.

And my point is, fight night weights are totally irrelevant. Making the weight the day before is the rule. If certain fighters finds it unfair that others balloon up in weight to much after the official weigh in, then I guess those fighters should fight at a lower weight class.

This new fight night weight was only brought up because of Floyd and Floyd only. Personally I don't give a **** where he fights at. I see the writing on the wall of how he has managed his own career the past few years. I saw his bull**** and he lost me as a fan. Do I have an agenda against him? No I don't, but I will speak out about it.. What I do not appreciate is some elements in here targeting those who speak out against Floyd with some underlying targeting by trying to spin an: Agenda, closet racism, or other bull**** in an attempt to give someone else a bad reputation. I see right through it.

The Mayweather guys know I respect them as individuals. I also don't try to berate anyone on here. The game they tried to play though was disgusting. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. It was exposed on here a while back where the Mafia were trying to target individuals in here and BN was one of them. It was because he had a different opinion then them. Big ****ing Whoop!.

[S.G.]

And my point is, fight night weights are totally irrelevant. Making the weight the day before is the rule. If certain fighters finds it unfair that others balloon up in weight to much after the official weigh in, then I guess those fighters should fight at a lower weight class.

it's a rule set up with good intentions but it's being exploited

The Mayweather guys know I respect them as individuals. I also don't try to berate anyone on here. The game they tried to play though was disgusting. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. It was exposed on here a while back where the Mafia were trying to target individuals in here and BN was one of them. It was because he had a different opinion then them. Big ****ing Whoop!.

who's BN?

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

A little sanity when discussing Mayweather is all that is being called for, if anything.




Away from that, it's perfectly reasonable to discuss the issue of fight night weights, lament the negatives, speculate on possible solutions, and maybe eventually just conclude that the current setup is about the best we're ever going to get, without there being some huge conspiracy behind it.


There are fights people want to see that don't get made. The reasons why can be irritating, but it is what it is. You can only hope for the best.




deanrw, I couldn't give a shiny ****e about the Mafia or what they do. I'm not part of that categorical mass, thanks.

This,

"This new fight night weight was only brought up because of Floyd and Floyd only."

I don't understand. So you're still saying that nobody ever concerned themselves with the issue of fight night weight until Floyd started targeting these legions of little guys he's alleged to have targeted for all this time?




I've been horsing around on this topic too long. I'll pick it up again tomorrow. Other stuff to do. Have fun.

[BattlingNelson]

And my point is, fight night weights are totally irrelevant. Making the weight the day before is the rule. If certain fighters finds it unfair that others balloon up in weight to much after the official weigh in, then I guess those fighters should fight at a lower weight class.

This new fight night weight was only brought up because of Floyd and Floyd only. Personally I don't give a **** where he fights at. I see the writing on the wall of how he has managed his own career the past few years. I saw his bull**** and he lost me as a fan. Do I have an agenda against him? No I don't, but I will speak out about it.. What I do not appreciate is some elements in here targeting those who speak out against Floyd with some underlying targeting by trying to spin an: Agenda, closet racism, or other bull**** in an attempt to give someone else a bad reputation. I see right through it.

The Mayweather guys know I respect them as individuals. I also don't try to berate anyone on here. The game they tried to play though was disgusting. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. It was exposed on here a while back where the Mafia were trying to target individuals in here and BN was one of them. It was because he had a different opinion then them. Big ****ing Whoop!.

Exactly. Rules are rules. Fighters make the most of them the way they want to. It's not the fault of other fighters that Floyd comes in at or near his weigh-in weight.

[deanrw]

A little sanity when discussing Mayweather is all that is being called for, if anything.




Away from that, it's perfectly reasonable to discuss the issue of fight night weights, lament the negatives, speculate on possible solutions, and maybe eventually just conclude that the current setup is about the best we're ever going to get, without there being some huge conspiracy behind it.


There are fights people want to see that don't get made. The reasons why can be irritating, but it is what it is. You can only hope for the best.




deanrw, I couldn't give a shiny ****e about the Mafia or what they do. I'm not part of that categorical mass, thanks.

This,

"This new fight night weight was only brought up because of Floyd and Floyd only."

I don't understand. So you're still saying that nobody ever concerned themselves with the issue of fight night weight until Floyd started targeting these legions of little guys he's alleged to have targeted for all this time?




I've been horsing around on this topic too long. I'll pick it up again tomorrow. Other stuff to do. Have fun.

I'm glad you don't give a **** over myself or any social group in here. My posts are only my thoughts.

The only time I have ever seen the "fight weight" argument brought up was after Gatti fought Gamache. Gamache was blown out and badly injured. He tried to sue Gatti and the promoters but failed. He failed because nobody broke any rules. He failed because he tried to fight in a higher weight class because perhaps he was too lazy to mantain his natural 130lb frame. So he started fighting guys and weighing in himself between 140 and 160lbs. He was so ill trained that he never gained much weight after the weigh in. The reason is because he never trained like he used too. He never pushed himself to make a lower weight, so he ended up fighting guys naturally bigger than him. It was his own fault.

[deanrw]

So how many smaller guys has Floyd targeted?


Lopsided fight-night weights have never been a cause of concern prior to the Mayweather drama of the last 18 months? Really?



I have no agenda. I like fighters and I will speak in defence of them against pathetic pissing and moaning, wherever I see it and have the energy to spare. You have postively repped me for this in other lives. And I have had many here.

I have no issue with you defending Floyd. Floyd is not evil like many try to portray him in here. My problem is certain members conspiring against others in here because they do not like the others opinion. That is what I have an issue with.

Yes I have green karma'd you many times. I will most likely do it again when I see you post about a subject that has a good argument (even if I don't agree with it), that does not contain elements of trying to ruin the reputation of another good member in here.