HBO fight night weights are UNOFFICIAL

[RodBarker]

And what is it that we know for sure?

We know the weight 30 hrs before the fight .

We know the fighters dry out to make that weight .

We know fighters rehydrate and put that weight back on by fight night .

We know that HBO weighs fighters on fight night .

We know HBO makes public those weights .

We know fighter and trainers have substantiated those HBO weights during interviews .

We know that no fighter or trainer has ever disputed those HBO weights .

Those are all facts !

We can assume the following .

HBO has no reason to lie .

That even sloppy weighing would still be much closer to the real weight than the official dehydrated weight 30 hours earlier for example 3lbs could be considered accurate to fight night weight , rather than the weight 30 hrs ago that would be inaccurate by between 10-20 pounds .


Now can you give me one FACT why HBO weights are wrong ?

[BattlingNelson]

We know the weight 30 hrs before the fight .

We know the fighters dry out to make that weight .

We know fighters rehydrate and put that weight back on by fight night .

We know that HBO weighs fighters on fight night .

We know HBO makes public those weights .

We know fighter and trainers have substantiated those HBO weights during interviews .

We know that no fighter or trainer has ever disputed those HBO weights .

Those are all facts !

We can assume the following .

HBO has no reason to lie .

That even sloppy weighing would still be much closer to the real weight than the official dehydrated weight 30 hours earlier for example 3lbs could be considered accurate to fight night weight , rather than the weight 30 hrs ago that would be inaccurate by between 10-20 pounds .


Now can you give me one FACT why HBO weights are wrong ?

All I know is that the scale is not official. HBO may not have any reason to lie, but fighters may have reasons to appear heavier than they really are for intimidation purposes. So fighters may have incitaments to keep shoes on or put ***elry or whatever in the pockets. I don't know but I don't think the HBO has any regulations towards these unofficial weigh-ins.

Add also the plane at which the scale stands. If it's even a slightly tilted plane some scales will be off to some degree. Is it also the same weight? If not that further increases the chance of error and further reduces the validity of unofficial weigh-ins for simularty purposes.

All-in-all it simply implies that there's uncertainty to those unofficial weights. If you wanna know the real weights by fighttime, then place the scale in the ring and let the fighters weigh-in in battledress. Then you can make a proper, reliable and valid comparison.

[BattlingNelson]

This is a guy who said the size difference between Marquez and Mayweather was comparable to the difference between Mayweather and Pavlik. That's where he's coming from.
This line he's playing suits the trip he's on - and some people are not willing to give an inch to reason in the duty of defending these little trips they get on.

JMM has fought less than a year at 135 and he fights PBF 9 lbs north.

PBF has fought 3 years at 147+ and I compared JMM's move up to a suggested Floyd move up to 158 fighting Pavlik.

Why is those fights not comparable?

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

HBO may not have any reason to lie, but fighters may have reasons to appear heavier than they really are for intimidation purposes. So fighters may have incitaments to keep shoes on or put ***elry or whatever in the pockets.

We've heard it all now.





Cotto : "Wait, I want to be extra scary for Malignaggi tonight, he may not respect me enough already. Let me put on my Dr. Martens and curb-chains first."




Bwaaaah, hahahahaha.

[RodBarker]

All I know is that the scale is not official. HBO may not have any reason to lie, but fighters may have reasons to appear heavier than they really are for intimidation purposes. So fighters may have incitaments to keep shoes on or put ***elry or whatever in the pockets. I don't know but I don't think the HBO has any regulations towards these unofficial weigh-ins.

Add also the plane at which the scale stands. If it's even a slightly tilted plane some scales will be off to some degree. Is it also the same weight? If not that further increases the chance of error and further reduces the validity of unofficial weigh-ins for simularty purposes.

All-in-all it simply implies that there's uncertainty to those unofficial weights. If you wanna know the real weights by fighttime, then place the scale in the ring and let the fighters weigh-in in battledress. Then you can make a proper, reliable and valid comparison.

The uncertainty is only in your what ifs you have no evidence at all , even common sense says HBO has somewhat of an obligation to apply reasonable care because its put out publicly they have a code of ethics they would try to abide they are professional people , that reasonable care would afford an error inside of about 10% ,,, now calculate your margin off error using 30 hr weigh-in weight for fight night weight and it is at least 80% wrong , any which way you want to look at its big time wrong ,,,,,, , its good to argue a good viewpoint but you have absolutely nothing to back you up here ,,,,,

mate you have no argument its ok to be wrong sometimes .

[RodBarker]

JMM has fought less than a year at 135 and he fights PBF 9 lbs north.

PBF has fought 3 years at 147+ and I compared JMM's move up to a suggested Floyd move up to 158 fighting Pavlik.

Why is those fights not comparable?

Your weights are not fight night weights , thats why they are not comparable , the fight night weight between Floyd and JMM is 4-6 pounds , the fight night weights between Floyd and Pavlik is close to 20 pounds .

[Silencers]

I'm not sure if the fight night weights are used as intimidation tactics, I mean HBO doesn't show the weights until right before the fight, fighters don't normally watch their TV screens right before the ring walk. And I doubt they go out of their way to ask members of the crew about what their opponents are weighing.

[Ray*]

Do they weigh-in without clothes, shoes, ***elries etc.?

Is the weight a bathroom weight and is it placed completely horizontal?

Is the weight at the same place when both fighters step on it?

No they dont weigh in with ***elries, Most of them weigh in with shorts on and they have the right to decline having a weigh-in on fight night.

Your horizontal question is borderline on ******ness so i wouldnt even answer that unless you're 10 years old.

And what difference does it make if the weigh is in the same place or if they go into each boxer locker room to weigh them???

[Allucard]

So maybe Floyd wouldnt know he was a Middleweight and finally fight with him.

Fixed it for you.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

JMM has fought less than a year at 135 and he fights PBF 9 lbs north.

PBF has fought 3 years at 147+ and I compared JMM's move up to a suggested Floyd move up to 158 fighting Pavlik.

Why is those fights not comparable?

Because those lameass stats don't tell of the difference in body size. Here's a statistic for you - Mayweather and Marquez fought just a division apart for years until Mayweather started moving up in search of the money. They are far nearer in natural size to each other than Mayweather and Pavlik will ever be. Your **** is disingenuous and slanted.




You're all mixed up. In one thread, you'll ***** about the unfairness of Mayweather fighting Marquez when they are set to weigh in on or under the same official weight, which latter you say is all that matters in this thread. And yet, despite being so concerned with fairness, you'll refuse to acknowledge any points made vis a vis the issue of some fighters blowing up by crazy numbers as a matter of habit, but just bring a shutter down to the subject.

It's clear that rather than just discussing the **** with a modicum of balance like a grown man, you're changing it up as you go along to suit your own agenda.