A question for Hardcore Pacquiao fans

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Pacquiao can face Oscar at welterweight, which in the eyes of pacquiao fans is a legit victory, so why cant he face Mosley, cotto or mayweather at welterweight?

Roach knew oscar would be weight drained because he didnt make 147 for 7 years, add to the fact he was past his prime

or

To give Cotto, mosley and pbf a disadvantage like they gave oscar a disadvantage (moving from 154 to 147, a weight he didnt make for 7 years) and now planning making cotto, mosley and pbf move from 147 to 140 to make the fight happen.

[Kris Silver]

I think team Pac particularly Roach were clever with the ODL fight. They saw it as a fight against a big name, very winnable, only makeable at 147, and wortwhile because it gave Pac a short sharp burst into Boxing stardom on another level.

He doesn't really need to do that anymore, he's got the ball now and can do what he wants with it.

On the other hand it's valid he should face Shane and Cotto, plus May at 147, because he's shown he can carry the weight well, infact he's progressively growing into such a weight area.

In any case Shane, Cotto and May have all suggested they'd come below 147 anyway AFAIK, so Pac is getting his way with the new found bartering power he has.

[El Jaguar]

Pacquiao can face Oscar at welterweight, which in the eyes of pacquiao fans is a legit victory, so why cant he face Mosley, cotto or mayweather at welterweight?

Roach knew oscar would be weight drained because he didnt make 147 for 7 years, add to the fact he was past his prime

or

To give Cotto, mosley and pbf a disadvantage like they gave oscar a disadvantage (moving from 154 to 147, a weight he didnt make for 7 years) and now planning making cotto, mosley and pbf move from 147 to 140 to make the fight happen.

I don't think they can answer that, LOL!!

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Pacquiao can face Oscar at welterweight, which in the eyes of pacquiao fans is a legit victory, so why cant he face Mosley, cotto or mayweather at welterweight?

Roach knew oscar would be weight drained because he didnt make 147 for 7 years, add to the fact he was past his prime

or

To give Cotto, mosley and pbf a disadvantage like they gave oscar a disadvantage (moving from 154 to 147, a weight he didnt make for 7 years) and now planning making cotto, mosley and pbf move from 147 to 140 to make the fight happen.

who the **** wants to fight at a disadvantage? answer that

[mathed]

They fought DLH at a weight that he had not been at in yrs. No harm there as DLH was hoping to beat a smaller guy and have an easy win, both sides were thinking of certain advantages and considering the fact that Pac has a smaller frame than any of the other welter weights that wish to fight him (again, they see the size advantage for themselves as well as a big name win).

To offset the advantages that they would have in the size and power department (considering these guys would be more effective at 144 than Oscar at a lower weight) Roach wants them to shed a bit. Should Pac fight middleweights as well or supermiddle weights? Money is doing the same thing as Pac only in reverse. Stop crying about it!!

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Pacquiao can face Oscar at welterweight, which in the eyes of pacquiao fans is a legit victory, so why cant he face Mosley, cotto or mayweather at welterweight?

And here we go again.

Roach made it clear that the Oscar fight / 147 was a one-shot deal. It was a RISK. Please look back at the threads before that fight. How many of you gave Pacquiao a chance? Most said it was a mismatch and the very thought of Manny fighting Oscar was ludicrous because Oscar would KO him, some even had him getting KO'd in the FIRST ROUND.

It was a risk, but for the name value and payday it was worth taking. However, it's important to note that 147 was a one-off.

Roach knew Oscar would be weight drained because he didnt make 147 for 7 years, add to the fact he was past his prime

Sure, he didn't make 147 since 2001, BUT he made 150 just 7 months earlier, winning pretty much every round against Steve Forbes. He had many months to make make 147 sensibly. As soon as Oscar's signature was on that contract, he effectively said "I can make 147". Tough ****, Oscar, he ****ed up thinking he had an easy payday on his hands by beating up lil' Manny. So who's taking advantages here? I would say Oscar moving down three pounds further than where he'd previously fought, yet Pacquiao came up two weight divisions to take a risk that was not guaranteed to work out in his favor. He made mistakes with his "professional" team of dietitians and trainers that should have known better, because they are highly paid to do the job they were employed to do.

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To give Cotto, mosley and pbf a disadvantage like they gave oscar a disadvantage (moving from 154 to 147, a weight he didnt make for 7 years) and now planning making cotto, mosley and pbf move from 147 to 140 to make the fight happen.

No, it's to level the playing field. Why is this so difficult for people to understand? Manny comes in close to the Welterweight limit (recently 148-ish). Cotto comes into the ring as a middleweight. Do the ****ing math.



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I don't think they can answer that, LOL!!

Yes they can, and they get sick of answering it. These are questions that shouldn't even be asked.

Ridiculous thread.



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who the **** wants to fight at a disadvantage? answer that

p4p no 1?

[talip bin osman]

im a pacquiao fan but not in anyway a "hardcore" one...

explosivo mi amigo... its about the leverage...

oscar had it for many years, now MP has it...

u want manny's scalp in ur resume? u want the big payday?

u got to agree in his terms...

boxing is not just a sport... its a business...

hence PBF's advantages over JMM...

ray leonard's immediate rematch with duran...

ray leonard's advantages over hagler...

hopkins advantages over pavlik...

lopez advantage over penalosa...

oscar's advantages over forbes...

in the case of ODLH vs MP... well it backfired on him though...

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And here we go again.

Roach made it clear that the Oscar fight / 147 was a one-shot deal. It was a RISK. Please look back at the threads before that fight. How many of you gave Pacquiao a chance? Most said it was a mismatch and the very thought of Manny fighting Oscar was ludicrous because Oscar would KO him, some even had him getting KO'd in the FIRST ROUND.

It was a risk, but for the name value and payday it was worth taking. However, it's important to note that 147 was a one-off.

Ask yourself why it was a one-shot deal? BECAUSE of the fact Roach knew oscar was weight drained and past his prime and big name, use some common sense man, if it was a RISK and a LEGIT victory then why cant they fight cotto,mosley or pbf at welterweight too? the fact is team pacquiao wanted oscar to come from 154 lbs to a weight he didnt make for 7 years (147) .......AND AGAIN now they want cotto, floyd and mosley to come down to 140, again a weight they havent made for a long time. Each time they are looking to weight drain fighters, why cant it be at weltweight like oscar was, because the oscar fight was legit according to the pacquiao stans. all these fans didnt know how oscar would look in the weigh in, and he looked dead, the fight was over before it started. Roach knew this as he had trained oscar before, and took that advantage too as well as the fact making him move down.

Sure, he didn't make 147 since 2001, BUT he made 150 just 7 months earlier, winning pretty much every round against Steve Forbes. He had many months to make make 147 sensibly. As soon as Oscar's signature was on that contract, he effectively said "I can make 147". Tough ****, Oscar, he ****ed up thinking he had an easy payday on your hands by beating up lil' Manny. So who's taking advantages here? I would say Oscar moving down three pounds further than where he'd previously fought, yet Pacquiao came up two weight divisions to take a risk that was not guaranteed to work out in his favor. He made mistakes with his "professional" team of dietitians and trainers that should have known better, because they are highly paid to do the job they were employed to do.

Stevie forbes?????????? wtf im not sure your helping your case at all, anything above 147 is light middleweight and 3 pounds make a HUGE difference to a fighter, just those 3 pounds change things. oscar looked terrible against forbes.

Hey isnt manny the P4P No 1? Doesn't a P4P no1 take risks? What risk did he take? making a past prime fighter weight drained too? like moving him down to a weight he hadnt made for nearly a decade. when floyd was p4p no 1, he fought oscar and hatton 2 years before pacquiao, oscar chose the weight, ringsize, gloves, and wasnt weight drained. imagine if oscar got to chose the weight and ringsize vs pacquiao