Calzaghe and Dawson: a double standard about fighting old opponents

[NickTheGreek]

Who else is there for Dawson , Cal had the choice he could have fought the best in there primes by coming to the States he waited forever and fought many that didnt deserve a fight they just padded his career and most were shells of their best Cal avoided the best , Dawson as a youngster has done more than Cal and Dawson has tried to fight everybody , I see Calzaghe avoided the biggest fights where Dawson is chasing them , Cal cherry picked his whole career and really only fought one prime elite fighter in Kessler , Dawson is only young and for the same stage of his career he has a better resume .

Name them please.

[Lead Cenobite]

What a ****** post. The guy called them out and did more then they did yet they get no criticism. As for if that meant he really wanted them is purely subjective, he's clearly indicated he did want them and if you want to subjectively judge the guys character on thin evidence, and say he was lying and didn't really want them, fine. But that doesn't make it fact.

I clearly said Roy Jones has faded the most, and is a top 10 LHW.

Both completely correct as much as may like to make out otherwise yet again.

How did he do more than they did? They barely knew who he was?

Tarver got a fight with Roy. How did he do it? How did Joe go about proposing it? Constant offers in England. He knew that would not fly.

Who did Roy beat at LHW to make him a Top 10 LHW?

[Walt Liquor]

Jones was considered shot or way past his best in 2005, his best win before Calzaghe was over an old, out of shape Tito Trinidad, I don't remember much criticism about him fighting Hopkins. Tarver had a good win over Woods before fighting Dawson and I think Johnson was his mandatory and is still considered a top light heavyweight.

To piggyback on you Silence, Dawson was forced to fight Tarver a second time. Additionally, Chad get props for rematching a close fight with Johnson. Calzaghe could have rematched Bhop for good money after hop beat pavlik.

[Kris Silver]

How did he do more than they did? They barely knew who he was?

Tarver got a fight with Roy. How did he do it? How did Joe go about proposing it? Constant offers in England. He knew that would not fly.

Who did Roy beat at LHW to make him a Top 10 LHW?

On Nard:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/2522563.stm

"If that's the case why has he been avoiding me? I'll do a winner-takes-all"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/3030004.stm

"I want a big fight in the States and Hopkins is who I'm looking for,"


On Jones:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/wales/921983.stm

"Jones is supposed to be the best fighter in the world at the moment. A showdown between us has got to happen to prove who is the best."
"Roy says he has difficulty in finding opponents but he has Joe Calzaghe - the best fighter in the division - waiting to fight him and ready to put his title on the line.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/story/0,3604,480559,00.html

Jones was offered $5m (£3.5m) to fight Calzaghe by the US television company Showtime earlier this year, but has since renewed his contract with Showtime's rivals HBO, making the fight unlikely in the foreseeable future and Calzaghe may attempt instead to seek super-middleweight unification contests.

Ring LHW Rankings with Roy at 6:

http://www.ringtv.com/ratings/light_heavyweight/

[IMDAZED]

Ok, show of hands...how many of you claiming Jones avoided Calzaghe in his prime were following boxing back then. Come on, don't be shy.

[S.W.F.C]

1: Roy didnt want to ****ing know about Joe Calzaghe. Joe was calling him out in 2000 man -- 9 years ago! He also said he would like to go to America for a fight with Roy or Hopkins.

2: Both were in different divisions. Roy moved up to LH a whole year before Calzaghe even won a strap. Considering this, why the hell did people even EXPECT them to fight? They were not even obliged to do so.

3: Roy made more money staying in America fighting bigger names. Joe Calzaghe at that time offered very little, so you can hardly blame Roy for not fighting him, Calzaghe simply wasn't a big enough name. He was high risk for low reward.

4: Roy Jones has never fought outside America. Why is it OK for Americans to stay at home and never fight outside their comfort zone, but Joe Calzaghe, who only has fought in his country (yes, Wales is a separate country and people outside Wales are often biased and hateful towards the Welsh) 17 times out of 46 fights, get **** for it?

Double standards once again.

Some people need to take their heads from out of their asses and realize that America isn't be the be-all-end-all. There is life outside of the USA. And this is coming from a person who was born in the USA.

The bold part will go over every haters head, the same goes for Hopkins, when Hopkins said he had fought outside America more than Joe had fought outside his own Country (saying the UK). lol @ Hopkins and the uneducated haters, thinking the UK is a country.

[IMDAZED]

Ok, show of hands...how many of you claiming Jones avoided Calzaghe in his prime were following boxing back then. Come on, don't be shy.

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

[Dave Rado]

who did bhop beat to get that disticntion you guessed it antonio tarver. since beating tarver for the magazine title who has bhop beaten at 175.

you are right nobody, beating one fighter and then not fighting the best at 175 don't make you the best.

He was ranked #1 at Light Heavyweight by every single independent boxing ratings organisation at that time. Bar none. And #3 P4P.

[Dave Rado]

Yeah in name only , he was washed up !

Eubank was no more washed up than Lewis was when he fought Vitali - he was a little past his prime, but he was certainly not washed up.

[Dave Rado]

Who did Roy beat at LHW to make him a Top 10 LHW?

The Ring ranks him at #6.

Boxrec ranks him at #5.

Those are the two most respected rankings organisations in boxing.