Calzaghe and Dawson: a double standard about fighting old opponents

[Dave Rado]

Jones and Toney wouldn't go to the UK so it was both their faults as well as the promoters. Hopkins did say he would go to Britain for the rematch tho.

Toney was a Cruiserweight, what on earth are you mentioning him for?

Jones never discussed having a fight with Calzaghe in any country.

It's not anyone's fault, why do you always have to make it someone's fault? Why on earth should Jones or Hopkins fight a completely unknown fighter who was not even in their own weight division?

Back then, when Calzaghe was a complete unknown outside the UK, there would have been no money in it for Jones or Hopkins if they'd fought him in the US. That's why Hopkins agreed to fight him in Manchester in 2002, because that's where the big money was at that time. Hopkins was offered $3 million for that fight, and agreed to the fight; contracts were drawn up, but then he doubled his purse demand to $6 million and the fight fell through.

[S A M U R A I]

Toney was a Cruiserweight, what on earth are you mentioning him for?

Jones never discussed having a fight with Calzaghe in any country.

It's not anyone's fault, why do you always have to make it someone's fault? Why on earth should Jones or Hopkins fight a completely unknown fighter who was not even in their own weight division?

Back then, when Calzaghe was a complete unknown outside the UK, there would have been no money in it for Jones or Hopkins if they'd fought him in the US. That's why Hopkins agreed to fight him in Manchester in 2002, because that's where the big money was at that time. Hopkins was offered $3 million for that fight, and agreed to the fight; contracts were drawn up, but then he doubled his purse demand to $6 million and the fight fell through.

Continuing on...

Then he fought Morade Hakkar for 1.25 million instead.



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[Dubious-Dutch]

1: Roy didnt want to ****ing know about Joe Calzaghe. Joe was calling him out in 2000 man -- 9 years ago! He also said he would like to go to America for a fight with Roy or Hopkins.

2: Both were in different divisions. Roy moved up to LH a whole year before Calzaghe even won a strap. Considering this, why the hell did people even EXPECT them to fight? They are not even obliged to do so.

3: Roy made more money staying in America fighting bigger names. Joe Calzaghe at that time offered very little, so you can hardly blame Roy for not fighting him, Calzaghe simply wasn't a big enough name. he was high risk for low reward.

4: Roy Jones has never fought outside America. Why is it OK for Americans to stay at home and never fight outside their comfort zone, but Joe Calzaghe, who only has fought in his country (yes, Wales is a separate country and people outside Wales are often biased and hateful towards the Welsh) 17 times out of 46 fights, get **** for it?

Double standards once again.

Some people need to take their heads from out of their asses and realize that America isn't be the be-all-end-all. There is life outside of the USA. And this is coming from a person who was born in the USA.

Two great points that this Yank agrees with.... But Chad and Calzaghe are not comparable.

[Easy-E]

Toney was a Cruiserweight, what on earth are you mentioning him for?

Jones never discussed having a fight with Calzaghe in any country.

It's not anyone's fault, why do you always have to make it someone's fault? Why on earth should Jones or Hopkins fight a completely unknown fighter who was not even in their own weight division?

Back then, when Calzaghe was a complete unknown outside the UK, there would have been no money in it for Jones or Hopkins if they'd fought him in the US. That's why Hopkins agreed to fight him in Manchester in 2002, because that's where the big money was at that time. Hopkins was offered $3 million for that fight, and agreed to the fight; contracts were drawn up, but then he doubled his purse demand to $6 million and the fight fell through.

Jones said he would take on Joe if he traveled to the US when asked.

[slicksouthpaw16]

But others like danc1984 have bashed Calzaghe a lot, but yesterday he was abusing me for suggesting that Dawson fight both his mandatory Cloud and Johnson this year.

So Dawson should fight Cloud in a non televised fight with less money then he would have fighting Johnson? Because none of the major net works would pick up the fight, so Dawson had no choice. His plan is take care of the stars first, then sit back and defend against mandatories. If Cloud beat Woods, Dawson will fight him and get his title back.

Is three fights in a year really impossible for a 26 year old?

Also, Calzaghe fought the best young opponent in his division, Mikkel Kessler, who was both WBC and WBA champion.

That's Calzaghe best win over a fighter in his prime, and even Adamek is way better than Kessler.

Will Dawson ever face another prime opponent? He did fight Adamek to win his first title, but Tomasz was weight-drained (much like Eubank was weight-drained when Calzaghe fought him).

Funny how you can come off of a fight of the year candidate four months earlier and end up being weight drained in your very next fight. That's everyone's number one excuse. Dawson beat Adamek fair and square, and there were no official reports of him being weight drained before or after the fight.

[Dubious-Dutch]

Toney was a Cruiserweight, what on earth are you mentioning him for?

Jones never discussed having a fight with Calzaghe in any country.

It's not anyone's fault, why do you always have to make it someone's fault? Why on earth should Jones or Hopkins fight a completely unknown fighter who was not even in their own weight division?

Back then, when Calzaghe was a complete unknown outside the UK, there would have been no money in it for Jones or Hopkins if they'd fought him in the US. That's why Hopkins agreed to fight him in Manchester in 2002, because that's where the big money was at that time. Hopkins was offered $3 million for that fight, and agreed to the fight; contracts were drawn up, but then he doubled his purse demand to $6 million and the fight fell through.

I said it was no ones fault or rather implied it. We don't have an argument unless you want one?

[NickTheGreek]

dawson has FOUR fights, but TWO of the four are rematches- 1 rematch he was contractually obligated, the other rematch has been in demand by a lot of posters on here.....even tho dawson clearly won the first fight w/ johnson, and will beat him easier the second time, b/c he'll fight smarter.

calzaghe got **** b/c roy and hopkins weren't the same fighters they used to be, and add to that calzaghe won a disputed decision over the latter, then was afraid to grant him a rematch.

the bottom lines is, the two 40 y.o.'s dawson fought, were better representations of themselves than the 2 calzaghe fought.

Really?

Didn't one Joes 40yr olds in Hopkins destroy one of Dawsons 40yr olds in Tarver before he fought Joe?

[AGM]

Joe didn't have any opportunities to fight them earlier, he wasn't a big enough name to interest them when they were in their primes and he was in a different weight class from both of them. It was only after the Lacy fight that he started to become a fairly big name in the States. Before that almost no one outside Britain had even heard of him. And he did try to make those fights in 2001-2002, but didn't have the commercial appeal to make the fights happen.

Exactly... He tried to make those fights so the opportunity was there whereas Dawson didn't have that opportunity. I agree that they weren't really feasible because of Joe's lack of fame back then and, just like Joe, BHop or RJJ weren't going to travel.

One that I do think was realistic though was making the much talked about Calzaghe-Johnson matchup happen a few years ago as that would've paved the way for JC to conquer America sooner when these guys were more in their respective primes.

I don't hold it against Joe for doing what he did though - I think BHop was a great win and if you've got an opportunity to make £5mil against a washed up legend in RJJ as a last fight you'd be foolish to turn it down imo.

[Deja_Vous]

Link please.




More revisionism in order to promote your hate agenda.

Interview with Jay Larkin of Showtime from December 2002:

"But to be fair to Joe, he's had some terrific fights on the books that have fallen apart at the last minute," continued Larkin. "It's almost like he's snakebit and he's had to face replacement guys who have like two, three, four weeks notice and it seems like it just keeps happening and it's apparently legitimate. I have no reason to think it's not legitimate because all these guys are independent of Frank, they're coming in from other promoters.

"The Charles Brewer fight (in April) held on and it was a great fight. There was a moment where we thought we had an Antwun Echols fight made and it fell apart."

Showtime tried to make the fight with Echols, it fell apart, and Larkin made clear that that wasn't Calzaghe's fault. So the Brewer fight was made instead.

It's always somebody else's fault.

A decade of fighting WBO level bums and it's always somebody else's fault.

10 solid years worth of excuse..And ya'll got nerver to hate on Floyd..LOL


Echols/Brewer was an eliminator.

The punk fights the LOSER and ya'll still nuttsuck the sorry ****.

WHAT ABOUT THOMAS TATE?????????????

I'd love hear why he had a shot at Joe's "title".

[Dave Rado]

Jones said he would take on Joe if he traveled to the US when asked.

Joe said he would travel to the US to fight him (see my sig). Roy never got into negotiations, though. Mostly because of TV politics, Joe was tied to Showtime, Roy to HBO (see my sig). Also because Joe wasn't a name and brought little money to the table.