Calzaghe and Dawson: a double standard about fighting old opponents

[Deja_Vous]

No he did not give that as a reason for not fighting Johnson.



Because Johnson got fed up of waiting and was no longer interested.

Oh yes he did.

He hid behind his divorce once the injury excuses abated.


That's exactly what Joe wanted..for the big bad man to MOVE ON.


What was Joe's excuse for fighting the LOSER of the eliminator between Echols and Brewer???????????????????????????????????

[Lead Cenobite]

You take things far too personally, Roy wasn't bothered. Roy and Joe are friends.

I find a lot of excuses for Joe's odd classless behaviour in that fight

[Pugilistic™]

Tarver and Johnson are in their forties but they are both still good fighters even though they ain't at their best especially in Tarvers case.

Hopkins even at 43 was and is still a very good fighter even though he is no longer at his best. Jones was clearly past his best when Joe faced him though.

A fighters prime isn't based on what age they are, Calzaghe and Hopkins for example didn't really hit their primes till they were in their thirties.

[Deja_Vous]

i'm not a JC fan, but dawson is an up and comer and has barely made a dent in the boxing world while calz could've been making huge fights for the fans for a while now.

What happened to you??????????????????????????????????????????

Joe has never been in a huge fight in his life.

Both the Jones and Hopkins fights BOMBED.

[Deja_Vous]

I find a lot of excuses for Joe's odd classless behaviour in that fight

No ****.

Can you imagine if Holmes had clowned Ali like he was actually accomplishing something great????????

Or if Willie Wise showboated the ghost of Chavez like he was beating a prime version.

Joe showed what kind of a *****-style man-she he really is.

[Dubious-Dutch]

How can anyone compare a 26 year old up and comer to a 37 year old retired fighter who left the game beating a shot Roy Jones? There is no comparison, especially when you consider the status between Joe and Chad at their respective fights with so called geriatrics. It is Joe fans like this thread starter that give him a bad name.

[S A M U R A I]

WHEN DID ROY CLOWN A SHOT FIGHTER????????????????

Good point. Maybe he was too busy clowning on road sweepers and cab drivers.

Suck on that a while before you answer.

No thanks, I don't suck turds.

Punk mofo.

Oooh, you hardcore little gangsta, you! I'm a "punk mofo". OK, thanks for letting me know

Please correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Eubank past it by the time he fought Joe?

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Tarver past it when Chad fought him?

Eubank was slightly past it, yeah, but still put up a very difficult fight. After Joe, he went on to fight the only guy who ever beat David Haye, Carl Thompson. IMO, he won the first fight, but the second was stopped because of a cut. Eubank, as you saw from the Calzaghe-Eubank fight, was still a dangerous opponent. Use your eyes. Eubank's problem was he was scared of truly hurting anyone after the Michael Watson tragedy. Regardless, watch the Calzaghe-Eubank fight and tell me that he wasn't still a worthy opponent for a green 25 year old who, 2 weeks earlier, was preparing for a completely different opponent. The Eubank fight was a GREAT win. Not just good, but one the very best on his resume. Joe to date still says it was his hardest fight. A "past it" fighter doesn't make you unable to walk for a week and have to be carried to the bathroom to take a piss.

"Eubank @ 31 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tarver & Johnson @ 40"

Only a hate-blinded ****sucker would type such asinine garbage.

Eubank never was ****..he never did anything and never beat anybody...nobody as good as RJJ for damn sure.

Only a hate-blinded ****sucker would type such asinine garbage.



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[Deja_Vous]

How can anyone compare a 26 year old up and comer to a 37 year old retired fighter who left the game beating a shot Roy Jones? There is no comparison, especially when you consider the status between Joe and Chad at their respective fights with so called geriatrics. It is Joe fans like this thread starter that give him a bad name.

His fans and Joe himself.

[Dave Rado]

dawson has FOUR fights, but TWO of the four are rematches- 1 rematch he was contractually obligated, the other rematch has been in demand by a lot of posters on here.....even tho dawson clearly won the first fight w/ johnson, and will beat him easier the second time, b/c he'll fight smarter.

You're entitled to your opinion that he clearly won the first fight but it's a minority opinion. Most analysts reported that it was extremely close and could have gone either way. Some reported that they had scored it to Johnson. I agree that Dawson will be the favourite in the rematch, though. But he didn't win the first fight any more clearly than Calzaghe won the Hopkins fight.

calzaghe got **** b/c roy and hopkins weren't the same fighters they used to be, and add to that calzaghe won a disputed decision over the latter,

Hopkins was past his peak but was still a P4P #3 fighter, you can't get much more elite than that. Calzaghe tried to make a fight with Hopkins in 2002, terms were agreed and contracts drawn up, then Hopkins doubled his purse demand at the last moment, showtime refused to increase the budget, and the fight fell through.

then was afraid to grant him a rematch.

Are you a clairvoyant? You may as well say "Mayweather retired because he was afraid of Cotto", or "Pac fought a washed up De La Hoya because he was afraid of Marquez". People do say both those things, too, but I find it hard to retain my respect for people who post stuff like that.

the bottom lines is, the two 40 y.o.'s dawson fought, were better representations of themselves than the 2 calzaghe fought.

They were better representations of themselves than Jones was, but they were not better representations of themselves than Hopkins was.

[Deja_Vous]

Good point. Maybe he was too busy clowning on road sweepers and cab drivers.



No thanks, I don't suck turds.



Oooh, you hardcore little gangsta, you! I'm a "punk mofo". OK, thanks for letting me know



Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Tarver past it when Chad fought him?

Eubank was slightly past it, yeah, but still put up a very difficult fight. After Joe, he went on to fight the only guy who ever beat David Haye, Carl Thompson. IMO, he won the first fight, but the second was stopped because of a cut. Eubank, as you saw from the Calzaghe-Eubank fight, was still a dangerous opponent. Use your eyes. Eubank's problem was he was scared of truly hurting anyone after the Michael Watson tragedy. Regardless, watch the Calzaghe-Eubank fight and tell me that he wasn't still a worthy opponent for a green 25 year old who, 2 weeks earlier, was preparing for a completely different opponent. The Eubank fight was a GREAT win. Not just good, but one the very best on his resume. Joe to date still says it was his hardest fight. A "past it" fighter doesn't make you unable to walk for a week and have to be carried to the bathroom to take a piss.



Only a hate-blinded ****sucker would type such asinine garbage.

Joe made his entire career off fighting street sweepers and cab drivers.

You should be ashamed to even go there..but it's obvious Joe's *****-style fans have no shame.

He even fought the LOSER of an elimnation bout between Echols and Brewer..

Nobody in history has punk-out that hard.

Slappy defended his title against Tokker Pudwell when the SHOT TO HELL Thomas Tate pulled-out.

Now you tell me nuttsucker..

HOW THE **** DID THOMAS TATE DESERVE A TITLE SHOT???