Cotto's weight in the ring

[-Antonio-]

Notice the biggest Floyd Pac haters avoid these type threads , they are the ones that are running bitches full of double standards ,,,,, I hate the haters

Well I'm not a hater and I'm right here to debate with you Rod. I'm not going to the bar to watch Orlando win for another 30 minutes or so.

I went last, your go...

[RodBarker]

I'd like to know where any of you get these numbers from first of all. Because I've seen pretty much all of Cotto's fights and they rarely show the day of fight weigh in.

Second of all if he were anything close to 170 we'd know because he walks around close to that weight and he's noticebly soft around his stomach. Even when he's 157 he doesn't look like he does on fight night.

Haters and supporters don't just guess facts.



And Pavlik is 160 in the ring? I know Abraham isn't the way he struggles to make weight. I know for sure Pavlik comes in 168-170. All of these guys drain themselves to an extent, so I don't know why you are even bringing this up. It's not long ago Pac was 144 for 130 pound fights.

Its sarcasm by having a dig at all the fools that think its ok for Pac and Floyd to give Cotto that weight , but if thats ok so it is for Cotto to fight Pavlik and Abraham ,,,,, my point is the weight advantages are the same just on the other foot !!

[RodBarker]

Well I'm not a hater and I'm right here to debate with you Rod. I'm not going to the bar to watch Orlando win for another 30 minutes or so.

I went last, your go...

So are you admitting you are a hater , best we clarify that first . because its the haters I want most ,,, but if you want to debate weights not a problem .

[-Antonio-]

@ Deja

When fighters drain themselves it's easier to put on water weight. Example Williams vs. Quintana I and II. If Cotto is 164 in the ring then he's a lot more muscle bound than I thought.

[JAB5239]

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Id like to see fighters not be allowed to fight outside the weight class and same day weigh-in , if its WW they must be between 140 and 147 stepping into the ring ,, its crazy where a fighter loses water to make 147 only to fight at 160 MW 30hrs later , the 36 hr weigh-in was not ment for this purpose of abuse and advantage .

I agree totally with this. BUT.......as long as a fighter (any fighter) chooses to fight in a certain weight class as long as the rules are the way they are now, he should fight the best. You can't blame a fighter for taking advantage of bull**** weigh in policies. You can blame a fighter for moving up if he doesn't have to and not fighting the best. Jmo.

[RodBarker]

[QUOTE=JAB5239;5368448]

I agree totally with this. BUT.......as long as a fighter (any fighter) chooses to fight in a certain weight class as long as the rules are the way they are now, he should fight the best. You can't blame a fighter for taking advantage of bull**** weigh in policies. You can blame a fighter for moving up if he doesn't have to and not fighting the best. Jmo.

Thats true mate you cant blame the fighter if they agree to a weight , by the same token you cant blame a fighter that wants catch weight to even things up when there is definitely a big weight advantage , I dont believe the weight class label is as important as the fighters themselves , it is the fighter that makes the weight class renown not the other way around .

[-Antonio-]

Its sarcasm by having a dig at all the fools that think its ok for Pac and Floyd to give Cotto that weight , but if thats ok so it is for Cotto to fight Pavlik and Abraham ,,,,, my point is the weight advantages are the same just on the other foot !!

Floyd has been fighting at Welterweight for years now, and he's fighting a Lightweight there, so I don't see why he can't fight real Welterweights. He already fought two in Baldy and Oscar. That's the problem there. How can one hold the Ring belt, call himself champion and only fight Mitchell, Marquez, Judah, Baldomir, and Hatton at the weight? It's almost laughable. Again if he were fighting at 140 this wouldn't be an issue with most people.

If people are blasting Pac for not fighting Cotto at 147 or even 144 then they are crazy. Fighting Oscar was obviously a financial decision. Realistically his best weight is 135-140. Personally I think Pac is good enough to beat Cotto anyway, even at 147. In his case he's not giving up height or reach, and he's much quicker with his hands and on his feet.

[RodBarker]

Floyd has been fighting at Welterweight for years now, and he's fighting a Lightweight there, so I don't see why he can't fight real Welterweights. He already fought two in Baldy and Oscar. That's the problem there. How can one hold the Ring belt, call himself champion and only fight Mitchell, Marquez, Judah, Baldomir, and Hatton at the weight? It's almost laughable. Again if he were fighting at 140 this wouldn't be an issue with most people.

If people are blasting Pac for not fighting Cotto at 147 or even 144 then they are crazy. Fighting Oscar was obviously a financial decision. Realistically his best weight is 135-140. Personally I think Pac is good enough to beat Cotto anyway, even at 147. In his case he's not giving up height or reach, and he's much quicker with his hands and on his feet.

Dont talk just weigh-in weight like the weight they actually fight does not matter , how can that be that it doesnt matter , you cant have it one way in this debate you need acknowledge the weight a fighter steps into the ring ,,, and when you do acknowledge that fact then you see the advantages one fighter will have over another like say Cotto or Mosley will have over Floyd and Pac on the night of the fight ,,,,,,,,, its as plain as the nose on your face Antonio !

[-Antonio-]

Dont talk just weigh-in weight like the weight they actually fight does not matter , how can that be that it doesnt matter , you cant have it one way in this debate you need acknowledge the weight a fighter steps into the ring ,,, and when you do acknowledge that fact then you see the advantages one fighter will have over another like say Cotto or Mosley will have over Floyd and Pac on the night of the fight ,,,,,,,,, its as plain as the nose on your face Antonio !

I acknowledge there will be an advantage in weight. Floyd also has physical advantages Cotto doesn't have. 5 more inches in reach, nearly 2 inches in height...

He's fought at or above welterweight for over 3 years now. It's not like he's a 140 pound fighter.

[Deja_Vous]

I acknowledge there will be an advantage in weight. Floyd also has physical advantages Cotto doesn't have. 5 more inches in reach, nearly 2 inches in height...

He's fought at or above welterweight for over 3 years now. It's not like he's a 140 pound fighter.

Boxing is divided by weight not reach and height.

Floyd can give up 15lbs and still win..Cotto and all your "legit" Welters cannot.