Tyson vs Lewis Primes

[P4P GOAT]

Are you really saying that you think he showed as much head movement, bobbing and weaving, body attack, foot movement, and overall boxing skills after he split with Rooney as he did before? You honestly believe that?

Have i posted that ? i guess i aint saying it then eh.

Bottom line, he knew what he used to do and whether he did it or not, its on him.


BTW You know Cooper the bum, he almost knocked Holyfield out, the same guy that hammered Mike Tyson.

[NakiFan]

Lmao so basically Rooney was so good and without him Tyson was just a dumb gimp who couldnt remember how to fight lol.

[Pretty Boy32]

prime tyson destroys any hw in history

[Benny Leonard]

He forgot everything Rooney had showed him? you would of thought he would reverted back to what he had been taught with Rooney after getting beat down by Douglas eh ? these excuses dont wash. He knows how he used to move his body and what combination's he threw, he has probably thrown those combos about a millions times with Rooney.

Not everything. But if you don't train the right way, you atrophy. When you don't have a game-plan going into a fight...what do you have left?

Rooney kept him trained both Mentally and Physically and also came up with the game-plan. Rooney is to Tyson what Bill Belichick is to the Patriots.

Tyson even started to point to his decline as soon as the Bruno I fight was over and he wasn't the only one.


Like I've said: Roger Mayweather as well as many others point to his leaving Rooney as his fall.

[P4P GOAT]

Not everything. But if you don't train the right way, you atrophy. When you don't have a game-plan going into a fight...what do you have left?

Rooney kept him trained both Mentally and Physically and also came up with the game-plan. Rooney is to Tyson what Bill Belichick is to the Patriots.

Tyson even started to point to his decline as soon as the Bruno I fight was over and he wasn't the only one.


Like I've said: Roger Mayweather as well as many others point to his leaving Rooney as his fall.

Roger Mayweather is probably just another Tyson fantatic/sheep that falls in line with all the excuses rather than come to terms with reality of what happened.

[Benny Leonard]

Lmao so basically Rooney was so good and without him Tyson was just a dumb gimp who couldnt remember how to fight lol.

He reverted back to what was in his nature. He was on the decline.

The weird thing to it all was that it was mentioned in the McBride fight that Tyson was biting his gloves...and it was something he hadn't done since his early amateur days. Everything that he learned and kept him on course to become HW Champion started to fall apart when he left what kept him at the top. Without Rooney, he reverted backwards. He started to stand tall instead of making himself small and moving his head. His jab out-put declined. His punch-out-put declined. He threw fewer combos. He became a head hunter. And later, after Prison, he started to foul more and more.


He became a street-fighter again instead of a boxer. This is a discipline sport.

[NakiFan]

Nah what happened was Tyson realised he was a fraud and got battered.

[Dave Rado]

Have i posted that ? i guess i aint saying it then eh.

You implied it by calling it an excuse.

Bottom line, he knew what he used to do and whether he did it or not, its on him.

As Benny Leonard keeps pointing out, some fighters are soldiers and some are generals. Pac is a soldier, he wouldn't have achieved what he has without Roach. But he's still an ATG. They just didn't split up - for which Pac deserves credit. Tyson is a soldier, he wasn't the same fighter after he split with Rooney. That's just the way it was. And this thread is about whether the version of Tyson who had Rooney in his corner could have beaten Lewis or not, so what he became later is completely irrelevant to this thread.

BTW You know Cooper the bum, he almost knocked Holyfield out, the same guy that hammered Mike Tyson.

That's a huge exaggeration, he hurt him but he didn't even knock him down, and all it proves is that Holyfield had off-nights too. Carl Williams schooled a prime Cooper, and was then destroyed by Tyson.

[Benny Leonard]

Read this Jackass

http://scoblete.casinocitytimes.com/articles/146.html

and tell me honestly that this guy is talking ****, he speaks the truth and you know it. Tyson is an optical illusion.

Never heard of the guy in the article...who is he exactly?

Anyway...I have one too




THE SCHOLAR CONSIDERS:
An Interview With Boxing Historian Herbert G. Goldman


Another man-- a shame what’s happened to him, and I’d say the only man who could have beaten him eventually did beat him, and that was himself—Mike Tyson. Now Mike Tyson’s style—talking about a boxer learning from boxers of the past—and it’s amazing that more has not been made of this. Mike Tyson’s style is Jack Dempsey, completely. The way he comes in quickly with a bob and weave, ducks down low and comes up with a smashing left hook to the larger man’s head and face, that’s Jack Dempsey. When Tyson turned pro he even came into the ring with the sides of his head shaven in emulation of Jack Dempsey. There is no doubt about this. No socks, low shoes, black trunks. This was a young man who studied old fight films like crazy. And he found that the style of Jack Dempsey was more conducive to his own abilities than any other style. And that’s what he developed.

KD -- I always felt that Tyson was a small heavyweight and he was often misunderstood and under-rated in terms of the level of genuine skill that he brought into the ring.

HG -- That’s right. A lot of people did not understand what they were watching when they saw Mike Tyson. He was not some slugger as such.

KD -- He was not a super-power in terms of his physical strength

HG -- Oh no. One thing about Mike Tyson that I don’t think a lot of people understand because of, let’s say his psychological-social problems, a lot of people think he’s some kind of ****** brute. He’s not. He happens to be, as far as I can see-- and I don’t know the man but I have had a couple of conversations with him-- an intelligent young man. He’s probably one of the most intelligent fighters, certainly in terms of boxing, that we’ve seen. His emulation of the Jack Dempsey’s style. His knowledge of boxing history is considerable, by the way, and when you listen to him, this is not a ****** man. He’s a very misunderstood boxer, and people also do not understand that his skills eroded after a certain period. People will say Ah he was never anything,. They start to question him all the way back. No. He peaked when he knocked out Michael Spinks in the first round. But beginning about a year after that he really started to go down hill.

KD -- That was a period when he had separated from Rooney, his remaining D’Amato trainer, and he no longer had a real trainer who understood his style.

HG -- Right. Tyson was a fighter who needed a certain edge. He needed to be on edge. And when he lost that he lost a tremendous amount. He still has too much power and over-all ability for ninety or ninety-five percent of all the fighters out there. There’s no question about that. But at his peak I can’t imagine—and I say this with all respect and deference for Evander Holyfield—but at his peak I can’t imagine Tyson being defeated by Holyfield. At his peak he would have been a terrific fight even for the peak Muhammad Ali.

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/w42x-kd.htm

[Benny Leonard]

Nah what happened was Tyson realised he was a fraud and got battered.

And I recognized you were a fraud a while back but it was good fun.