Mayweather’s Hit List Includes Pacquiao, Mosley, Cotto

[shadeyfizzle]

I didn't say he needed another tune up hell he might not have needed the one he fought, Floyd is in fine shape.

IF Floyd thinks he can sell huge numbers against any decent fighter why not try it, if he wants the Cotto-Pacman winner he will have to wait until early spring to get the fight anyways. If timed right it can all work out (and provided he can come out clean), I really do not know who he would fight maybe a solid lefty to prepare for Manny.

I really dont care who he fights next as long as its even a halfway decent matchup and not floyd and ellerbe pulling the wool over the public's eyes yet again.

If not Pac,Cotto, or Shane then who??? Berto and Clottey are the only welterweights relevant enough at the top of the division to be a semi-worthy challenge and a matchup with either is almost guaranteed foregone conclusion. And we all know he's not going to fight anyone from the 154lb division so why fight at all???

[big_james10]

So what you're saying is that you're ok and AGREE with Floyd when he says he's the best based on what he did almost 10 years ago? Not from his current actions? is that it?

I believe he is the best based on what he has done in his last five fights. He has beaten three Ring Magazine champions in Hatton, De La Hoya and Baldomir(140lb, 147lb and 154lb champions), the former 147lb Ring champion and number two in the division (Zab Judah) and the number two ranked P4P guy (Marquez). How does that compare to Pacquaio's last five opponents?

[Spacey1991]

I am saying I have followed Floyd for a long time, it is a totallity of what he has done.

I really do not care what Floyd has to say, as he is a poor speaker and does nto really think about some of the things he says, although I do feel him when he says I am the best. Now note that I do not agree that he is the best ever, but Floyd has devoted his entire life to boxing and worked very hard at his craft he has also accomplished a great deal, so I can understand why he would say there no one that was ever better (confidence and self belief are very big in boxing).

Anyways his career has followed a normal boxing career arc, starts out killing all sorts of tough guys in the beginning before his competition falls off a little bit in toughness but has large names.

If you have a problem with that view so be it, nbd to me.

I agree with a bulk of what you said... and I agree with what you said about it being the totallity and all but that still doesn't mean that he can't prove that he is even greater, yes he is an ATG... yes he is a great fighter... yes he has proven that, but he could still get those few extras on his resume and prove that he is even greater just to finish it off brilliantly.

[Vasyl’s dad]

I think he meant, he judges him differently than you do... that isn't a stab at you... he just said he has a different opinion than you.

Actually, I think he meant that I only look at one portion of Mayweathers career.


Which I don't.


But I don't see a reason to talk about what he did six years ago in comparison to whats going on today.


Kid was great at 130 and 135,


but what does that have to do with 147 which is where most of his criticism stems from?

[shadeyfizzle]

I believe he is the best based on what he has done in his last five fights. He has beaten three Ring Magazine champions in Hatton, De La Hoya and Baldomir(140lb, 147lb and 154lb champions), the former 147lb Ring champion and number two in the division (Zab Judah) and the number two ranked P4P guy (Marquez). How does that compare to Pacquaio's last five opponents?

Delahoya had lost 3 of his last 5 prior to fighting Mayweather,

Baldomir was a fluke (a la Buster Douglas though nowhere near as drastic)

Hatton was shown to be clearly out of place at 147 and nowhere near as effective as he was at 140. (Though i believe Floyd beats him in either division)

Marquez had absolutely no business above lightweight let alone at welterweight

Zab Judah is......well.....Zab Judah. That needs no explanation.

[Spacey1991]

Actually, I think he meant that I only look at one portion of Mayweathers career.


Which I don't.


But I don't see a reason to talk about what he did six years ago in comparison to whats going on today.


Kid was great at 130 and 135,


but what does that have to do with 147 which is where most of his criticism stems from?

Maybe he thought you was talking about an overview of his career... I dunno, either way I kinda get what your saying, but Gambler still makes a good point that in the end, all in all... when his career is over it should be looked at what he did overall rather than what he did later.

But I get what your saying, read my last post and you would realize we kinda have a similar opinion in a way.

[jrosales13]

To me, Floyd has proven himself to be a great fighter, an ATG in my eyes... but if he beats Pacquiao vs Cotto winner and Mosley... he would be known as even greater... I mean he already has a pretty good legacy and all, but his legacy would be much greater if he beat those and would be more career defining. He is already an ATG but he could prove to be an even bigger ATG by doing this IMO.



I actually agree with you, Floyd is a very talented fighter... one of the most skilled fighters of all time IMO, but you can't just say your the greatest from that. He is already an ATG in my eyes, but he could still prove that he is even greater than people already think.

I agee with a lot of what you said. But, also how good is his resume really? Look at his resume in the last 6yrs. Could you possibly say that is an ATG resume?

At he is in the top 3 greatest SFW of all time. Maybe even the G.O.A.T. But, at 135 does not have the resume to be ranked amongst the greats at 135. At 140 you have to ranked Aaron Pryor and Kostya Tszyu higher. 147 has been a joke of a resume. At 154 just one fight against an old fighter. I mean really there has been only 1 weightclass where he showed true dominance against top competition night in night out.

[big_james10]

Whats to sign though?

He already made it clear he doesn't want to fight them.

Did you read my post. He did say that. He also said he had no intention of coming out of retirement. Has he signed to fight anyone yet? If his next fight is against a David Diaz type (which likely will happen with Pacquaio), then you can criticize. However, all you have to base your criticism on right now is words -- and as I stated in my post -- you can't believe anything that comes out of a boxing promoter or fighter's mouth until something is on paper.

[Vasyl’s dad]

I believe he is the best based on what he has done in his last five fights. He has beaten three Ring Magazine champions in Hatton, De La Hoya and Baldomir(140lb, 147lb and 154lb champions), the former 147lb Ring champion and number two in the division (Zab Judah) and the number two ranked P4P guy (Marquez). How does that compare to Pacquaio's last five opponents?

Hatton - jr ww champion
DLH - former MW champion
Diaz - lw champion
Marquez - featherweight championship
Barrera - former world champion



5 wins, 3 KOs.


Looks pretty equal to me when you factor in all the intangibles with each fighter.

[The Gambler1981]

I agree with a bulk of what you said... and I agree with what you said about it being the totallity and all but that still doesn't mean that he can't prove that he is even greater, yes he is an ATG... yes he is a great fighter... yes he has proven that, but he could still get those few extras on his resume and prove that he is even greater just to finish it off brilliantly.

How he views himself and how others view him are IMO different things. No one would logically judge Floyd to be the greatest fighter ever but how he views himself I think any man should be able to view himself as he sees fit, no one has to agree with him just as a man I do not feel what he is saying offensive because it is his opinion on himself.

If some boxing writer paid for his opinion on the sport judged Floyd to be the best ever (at this point) I would have to seriosuly question everything that guy wrote before and after.