cotto says 144...manny says 142...wtf is the difference?

[Little Mac]

I don't think many guys here have actually cut weight. Most guys here when they think about losing some weight they are talking about losing some fat.

Its a totally different animal when your already in top shape. At that point you can only dry out (lose water weight) and or start to actually lose muscle. I believe its safe to say that Cotto is in good shape for his fights and that he is already drying himself out for 147lbs then rehydrates.

If he is already dry making 147lbs then those 5lbs to 142lbs is HUGE and nearly impossible to cut and remain athletically sound.

I wrestled and in order to keep kids from literally killing themselves doing this there are certifications for your minimum weight class a person can compete in. Getting certified takes body fat and hydration level.

I have been educated.

[glidesmack]

**** that is the answer I've been looking for. They should just certify boxers and end this ****ing horrible bull****.

[Ido]

so what weight does cotto normally walk around at then?

About 160.

[Pullcounter]

When you are already dehydrating to get to 147... 2 pounds is like 10.

exactly, so cotto should be fighting WWs instead of picking on jr WWs.

[Pullcounter]

About 160.

cotto probably balloons up to 165-170 lbs... but on fight night he's 155-160 lbs.

[RodBarker]

I don't think many guys here have actually cut weight. Most guys here when they think about losing some weight they are talking about losing some fat.

Its a totally different animal when your already in top shape. At that point you can only dry out (lose water weight) and or start to actually lose muscle. I believe its safe to say that Cotto is in good shape for his fights and that he is already drying himself out for 147lbs then rehydrates.

If he is already dry making 147lbs then those 5lbs to 142lbs is HUGE and nearly impossible to cut and remain athletically sound.

I wrestled and in order to keep kids from literally killing themselves doing this there are certifications for your minimum weight class a person can compete in. Getting certified takes body fat and hydration level.

All this talk of Cotto what about Pac , is it fair that he should give Cotto 14 pounds on the night of the fight , this poor Cotto is bull**** you want him to have a monster advantage over Pac ,, WW is between 140 and 147 , Pac being an extremely small WW that actually fights inside the WW limit should not be expected to fight somebody that fights at the MW limit , the trainers know this and thats why they want catchweight to fair the fight up .

http://www.boxing-monthly.co.uk/content/0008/two.htm

" Jim Watt, former lightweight champion of the world turned television pundit is one of the most vocal supporters of same-day weighing in. He is one of a growing minority of people within the sport who feel that the dangers of having huge weight discrepancies between fighters are greater than the dangers of dehydration.

Watt argues that too many fighters step off the scales to go on a 24-36 hour binge and pack on as much weight as possible before the first bell. He believes it is a case of a good theory making bad practice.

"Don't get me wrong, the idea is good," said Watt when I telephoned him. "Many of the dangers of boxing have been linked with dehydration, and so giving fighters 24 hours to re-hydrate their bodies therefore must be a good idea on paper.

"But the problem is that this time period is getting abused. Fighters who should not dream of fighting at certain weights are punishing their bodies, murdering themselves, to make the limit and then rely on this period of up to 36 hours to get back up to something like normal again.

"If they had to weigh in on the day of the fight, and if they wanted to fight with any sort of strength, they would be forced to fight at a more healthy weight for their bodies. This 24-36 hour period is giving fighters a lot of incentive to fight at the wrong weight."

And the dangers are exacerbated when only one fighter packs in the pounds. "When someone fights for a title at 12 stone [168lbs], that's exactly what he's supposed to be - a 12 stone fighter. He's not supposed to be a bloody cruiserweight. It's totally unfair to those boxing at a more natural weight - the ones who aren't taking these silly chances with their health. Sometimes these guys are giving away a full stone in weight and I don't need to say that's dangerous. They are at a massive disadvantage. Essentially these fellows are punished for been sensible and abiding by the rules."

[Left2body]

All this talk of Cotto what about Pac , is it fair that he should give Cotto 14 pounds on the night of the fight , this poor Cotto is bull**** you want him to have a monster advantage over Pac ,, WW is between 140 and 147 , Pac being an extremely small WW that actually fights inside the WW limit should not be expected to fight somebody that fights at the MW limit , the trainers know this and thats why they want catchweight to fair the fight up .

I am not talking about what is right. This thread is asking about the difference between cutting weight.

However to address your statement. 142lbs is not a legit catch weight. 144-145 are legit catch weights. 142lbs is BS, that not even the smallest WW titlist is capable of or willing to go to. PBF/Mosley/Cotto/Berto/Williams/Clottey...............Only ONE can possibly do it but is unwilling. The others I highly doubt can go down to 142lbs.

Its all good Pac doesn't have to fight WW's. But if he wants to fight WW's he is going to have to compromise a lot more.

[Pullcounter]

I am not talking about what is right. This thread is asking about the difference between cutting weight.

However to address your statement. 142lbs is not a legit catch weight. 144-145 are legit catch weights. 142lbs is BS, that not even the smallest WW titlist is capable of or willing to go to. PBF/Mosley/Cotto/Berto/Williams/Clottey...............Only ONE can possibly do it but is unwilling. The others I highly doubt can go down to 142lbs.

Its all good Pac doesn't have to fight WW's. But if he wants to fight WW's he is going to have to compromise a lot more.

let's flip it around on Cotto!

if cotto wants to fight jr WWs he's gonna have to compromise a lot more.

on fight night cotto is effectively a MW. on fight night pac is a WW. so is that fair for cotto to have such a huge weight advantage on pac??!!!

LETS BE FAIR!!

pac officially weighed 138 lbs against hatton. when was the last time cotto weighed 138 lbs???!!!

[RodBarker]

I am not talking about what is right. This thread is asking about the difference between cutting weight.

However to address your statement. 142lbs is not a legit catch weight. 144-145 are legit catch weights. 142lbs is BS, that not even the smallest WW titlist is capable of or willing to go to. PBF/Mosley/Cotto/Berto/Williams/Clottey...............Only ONE can possibly do it but is unwilling. The others I highly doubt can go down to 142lbs.

Its all good Pac doesn't have to fight WW's. But if he wants to fight WW's he is going to have to compromise a lot more.

A legit catchweight is anywhere they want the weight to be how is it not legit its how it works , thats the meaning of catchweight ,,,,, lets call it the name racing people use and you might get the picture clearer ,,, they call it a Matchrace and they carry the same weight , these type events try to bring them together fairly it really has nothing to do with division it must fall somewhere and this one falls inside the WW limits so its classified as a WW fight as a label but its not really its catchweight , is it fair to Pac to give Cotto a huge weight advantage , is it fair to Cotto to have to starve down to meet Pacs size ,,, its up to Cotto and Pac I see neither a ***** in this ,,, Floyd vs Pac anyway Cotto is not happening .

[Ido]

let's flip it around on Cotto!

if cotto wants to fight jr WWs he's gonna have to compromise a lot more.

on fight night cotto is effectively a MW. on fight night pac is a WW. so is that fair for cotto to have such a huge weight advantage on pac??!!!

LETS BE FAIR!!

pac officially weighed 138 lbs against hatton. when was the last time cotto weighed 138 lbs???!!!

Now lets turn it back around, Cotto.

Why is Cotto and Camp even considering a fight with Manny? Forget about catch weight, they should not even be sanctioned. It goes against the vary reasons why weight divisions are established.