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  • Originally posted by Dave Rado View Post
    Barrera was certainly in his prime in their first fight.

    Morales was close to his prime in their first two fights. And even in the third fight he was only 30, the same age as Pac is now. To the extent that he was shot in the third fight, it was more than likely the first two Pac fights that caused it, because it sure as hell wasn't because he was old.

    As for the two Pac-JMM fights, most experts said that both fights were very close indeed, and very difficult to score. No very close fight can ever be called a robbery. Anyone who can't accept that a very close fight can legitimately be scored either way, and that in those circumstances, the judges' decision is final, is just a very bad loser. It is fair to say that both fights were so close that there needs to be a rubber match, though.

    But who has Marquez officially beaten who is a likely future Hall of Famer? And how many lineal titles has he won? On both counts, Pac's résumé is much better.

    Marquez is a truly great fighter, but to say his overall résumé is way better than Pac's is ridiculous.
    so vargas is only 31 0r 32 is he still in his prime? hell no!!! a fighter only has so many battles in him before he's shot and age isnt always the determining factor its the beatings and nature of the fights hes absorbed. morales was in no way prime even the first time he faced pac,i remember very clearly no one was expecting him to win. morales was also on a clear decline and losing streak already when he faced pac 2nd and 3rd time. pacas resume nothing but damaged good fighters.you have to be a moron to not see that.

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    • Originally posted by boxingfan76 View Post
      casamayor isnt a hall of famer? but david diaz is? or ricky hatton cmon dude thats just ridiculous, pac has beaten nothing but shot previously ko'd dudes, with a name his signature win is delahoya, and you cannot say delahoya was in his prime either.
      pacquiao's resume:

      - 1 of 2 to have 6 titles in 6 different divisions
      - only person to have 4 lineal titles
      - beat morales 3x
      - beat jmm 2x
      - beat mab 2x
      - only person to KO morales
      - only person to knockdown jmm 4x
      - 1 of 2 to stop mab
      - 1 of 2 to stop DLH
      - 1 of 2 to stop Hatton
      - beat DLH worst than Floyd
      - KOed Hatton faster than Floyd
      - fought from 106 lbs all the way to 147 (actually 142) lbs

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      • Originally posted by Pullcounter View Post
        pacquiao's resume:

        - 1 of 2 to have 6 titles in 6 different divisions
        - only person to have 4 lineal titles
        - beat morales 3x
        - beat jmm 2x
        - beat mab 2x
        - only person to KO morales
        - only person to knockdown jmm 4x
        - 1 of 2 to stop mab
        - 1 of 2 to stop DLH
        - 1 of 2 to stop Hatton
        - beat DLH worst than Floyd
        - KOed Hatton faster than Floyd
        - fought from 106 lbs all the way to 147 (actually 142) lbs
        you wish he beat jmm, even though he got a pathetic 1point official win nobody believes he did.juan diaz, joel casamayor,and now mayweather blow , pacs last 3 out of the water!!!pacs a great fighter indeed but its very clear those are strategically hand picked opponents, he faced delahoya at 147 but wont face mosley at 147 or cotto. that very clearly proves team pac know exactly whom to fight and when ,he may be the most popular but hes not better than mayweather or jmm. just yet. that is still to be determined .

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        • Originally posted by Pullcounter View Post
          pacquiao's resume:

          - 1 of 2 to have 6 titles in 6 different divisions
          - only person to have 4 lineal titles
          - beat morales 3x
          - beat jmm 2x
          - beat mab 2x
          - only person to KO morales
          - only person to knockdown jmm 4x
          - 1 of 2 to stop mab
          - 1 of 2 to stop DLH
          - 1 of 2 to stop Hatton
          - beat DLH worst than Floyd
          - KOed Hatton faster than Floyd
          - fought from 106 lbs all the way to 147 (actually 142) lbs
          jmm ONLY 1 TO STOP DIAZ,JMM ONLY 1 TO STOP CASAMAYOR,JMM CURRENTLY THE ONLY 1 TO GO 24 RNDS WITH PAC AND CLEARLY WIN MORE ROUNDS AND handily outconnect pac.whos outconnected pac in the last 10 fights other than morales? JMM! 30 MORE POWER SHOTS AND THREW 200 LESS, JIM LAMPLEY LARRY MERCHANT MAX KELLERMAN THE PAPPAS GUY AND SOO MANY OTHER AGREE JMM WON BOTH THOSE BOUTS , last tarver fight again they said this pac won ONLY because of favoritism jmm finished stronger in both bouts! i dont buy into the they could have gone either way crap, jmm won tooo many rnds for that.

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          • Originally posted by boxingfan76 View Post
            casamayor isnt a hall of famer? but david diaz is? or ricky hatton cmon dude thats just ridiculous, pac has beaten nothing but shot previously ko'd dudes, with a name his signature win is delahoya, and you cannot say delahoya was in his prime either.

            Totally agree with you, cmon how can Manny be better, if both fights couldve gone either way and Marquez has fought way better opponents than Manny? Can somebody explain that to me why is Manny better, i like Pacquiao but you cant assure me that hes is p4p 1, until the rematch takes place.

            All JMM haters in this blog are clearly Pinoys, who believe Pacquioa is almost GOD, there are more than 20 or more better fighters in the History of Boxing than Pacquiao.

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            • Originally posted by boxingfan76 View Post
              you wish he beat jmm, even though he got a pathetic 1point official win nobody believes he did.
              1) scoring error in teh first fight
              2) knockdown made the difference in teh 2nd fight

              juan diaz, joel casamayor,and now mayweather blow , pacs last 3 out of the water!!!
              - nate ruined diaz
              - casamayor was semi-shot
              - jmm can't beat floyd

              pacs a great fighter indeed but its very clear those are strategically hand picked opponents, he faced delahoya at 147 but wont face mosley at 147 or cotto.
              pac weighted 142 lbs against DLH. when was the last time mosley or cotto weighed 142 lbs???

              pac weighed 138 lbs against hatton. when was the last time mosley or cotto weighed 138 lbs???


              that very clearly proves team pac know exactly whom to fight and when ,he may be the most popular but hes not better than mayweather or jmm. just yet. that is still to be determined .
              lol... floyd is more stategic in his fights than pac.

              I dunno if pac can beat pbf, but as for now pac is #1 p4p.
              Last edited by Pullcounter; 05-19-2009, 10:08 PM.

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              • Originally posted by boxamen View Post
                Totally agree with you, cmon how can Manny be better, if both fights couldve gone either way and Marquez has fought way better opponents than Manny? Can somebody explain that to me why is Manny better, i like Pacquiao but you cant assure me that hes is p4p 1, until the rematch takes place.

                All JMM haters in this blog are clearly Pinoys, who believe Pacquioa is almost GOD, there are more than 20 or more better fighters in the History of Boxing than Pacquiao.
                thank you very much, i dont hate pac either but this rating him sooo high is ridiculous,who are they kidding ? pac is at least 2 or three wins awy at least 2 from topping jmm or even mayweather at this point.i understand hes the hottest right now but that doesnt necessarily mean hes the best, i dont care how much they say he is . they made him a saint for christs sake! saint pacyow lol pac will definitly go down as a great but 20 is generous i can think of many more that are better at this point.still very unproven as dominant as hes been latley.

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                • Originally posted by boxingfan76 View Post
                  jmm ONLY 1 TO STOP DIAZ,JMM ONLY 1 TO STOP CASAMAYOR,JMM CURRENTLY THE ONLY 1 TO GO 24 RNDS WITH PAC AND CLEARLY WIN MORE ROUNDS AND handily outconnect pac.whos outconnected pac in the last 10 fights other than morales? JMM! 30 MORE POWER SHOTS AND THREW 200 LESS, JIM LAMPLEY LARRY MERCHANT MAX KELLERMAN THE PAPPAS GUY AND SOO MANY OTHER AGREE JMM WON BOTH THOSE BOUTS , last tarver fight again they said this pac won ONLY because of favoritism jmm finished stronger in both bouts! i dont buy into the they could have gone either way crap, jmm won tooo many rnds for that.
                  pac beat jmm 2x.

                  - admitted judging error in the first fight
                  - knockdown made the difference in teh 2nd fight.

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                  • Originally posted by boxingfan76 View Post
                    thank you very much, i dont hate pac either but this rating him sooo high is ridiculous,who are they kidding ? pac is at least 2 or three wins awy at least 2 from topping jmm or even mayweather at this point.i understand hes the hottest right now but that doesnt necessarily mean hes the best, i dont care how much they say he is . they made him a saint for christs sake! saint pacyow lol pac will definitly go down as a great but 20 is generous i can think of many more that are better at this point.still very unproven as dominant as hes been latley.
                    - 1 of 2 to have 6 titles in 6 different divisions
                    - only person to have 4 lineal titles
                    - beat morales 3x
                    - beat jmm 2x
                    - beat mab 2x
                    - only person to KO morales
                    - only person to knockdown jmm 4x
                    - 1 of 2 to stop mab
                    - 1 of 2 to stop DLH
                    - 1 of 2 to stop Hatton
                    - beat DLH worst than Floyd
                    - KOed Hatton faster than Floyd
                    - fought from 106 lbs all the way to 147 (actually 142) lbs

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                    • Originally posted by Pullcounter View Post
                      1) scoring error in teh first fight
                      2) knockdown made the difference in teh 2nd fight



                      - nate ruined diaz
                      - casamayor was semi-shot
                      - jmm can't beat floyd



                      pac weighted 142 lbs against DLH. when was the last time mosley or cotto weighed 142 lbs???

                      pac weighed 138 lbs against hatton. when was the last time mosley or cotto weighed 138 lbs???




                      lol... floyd is more stategic in his fights than pac.

                      I dunno if pac can beat pbf, but as for now pac is #1 p4p.
                      fake ass pnd 4 pnd. you cant have it both ways he wont face the best at 147 but hell take credit for beating shot oscar at 147, how that makes pac pnd for pnd i have no idea , i agree floyd has ducked the best in his weight class, but who exactly has pac beat to be pnd for pnd? certainly wasnt jmm certainly not convincigly, floyd already beat hatton and hoya, its all a marketing ploy and it works. i dont like jmms chances against floyd, i admit.theyre is nobody at 140 and pac wont face the best at 135 or 147 thats not pound for pound,that title means nothing now, before fighters that were pnd for pound would actually CLEAN OUT THEYRE WEIGHT DIVISION!, jmm mosley and even cotto or margarito are truer pnd for pnds than pac is rt now.

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