A Look at Andre Ward, Bradley vs. Campbell Goes Bust

[OnePunch]

I dont get what youre saying. You make it sound like signing and giving options are one in the same. There 2 totally different things. Promoters are jerks if they ask for options and it should only happened in the most exreme cases like when a star is giving a fight to a poor guy. Bradley aint no one for Campbell to be taking options from. He may be the Champ but its not like he's a big name that brings a ton of money. Shaw is an idiot and thats why the promoters ruin boxing. He just knows that he's not one of the top promoters anymore and its the only way for him to get new guys to sign with his slick asz

You are absolutely correct in noting that "signing" and "options" are 2 different things. "Options" have no signing bonus money like "signing" does, and "signing" is typically alot longer than 2 or 3 fights like "options" are. Each serves a certain purpose.

The reason Gary can demand options in this case is that Nate is involved in a legal battle where an interference claim by King is not out of the question if Gary were to try and sign Nate. And since Nate is NOT a mandatory to Bradley, Gary can say "give me options or theres no fight". The same way GBP got options on Floyd for the DLH-Mayweather fight. And the same way King got options on Roy for Tito-Jones. Sometimes its what you have to do in order to get certain fights. Heres a little known fact. I had to give options to Deguardia in order for Nate to get the Kid diamond fight back in 2005. Deguardia didnt even have Kid Diamond, but he did control the Tarver-Jones 3 card that the fight was on. It never amounted to anything, but I still had to give those options up. Its a part of the business.

Even though I hate option deals, you have to look at the facts. Gary has an investment in Bradley. Why would he make a Campbell fight if he doesnt have to? If Nate beats Bradley, then Gary has nothing. Its not a mandatory, so he doesnt have to make the fight. Is it wrong for him to try and protect his investment? Why should he risk his investment "for the sake of boxing" when nobody else will? When Nate had all the 135 titles, we couldnt BUY a fight. The only fights we could get were mandos with Guzman and Funeka. NONE of the GBP or Top Rank guys would fight Nate. Why? Because they didnt have to, and GBP nor Top Rank had anything to gain (and everything to lose) by making those fights. It sucks, but thats the way it is.......

[javelin_fangs]

I dont get what youre saying. You make it sound like signing and giving options are one in the same. There 2 totally different things. Promoters are jerks if they ask for options and it should only happened in the most exreme cases like when a star is giving a fight to a poor guy. Bradley aint no one for Campbell to be taking options from. He may be the Champ but its not like he's a big name that brings a ton of money. Shaw is an idiot and thats why the promoters ruin boxing. He just knows that he's not one of the top promoters anymore and its the only way for him to get new guys to sign with his slick asz

You realize that you addressed that post to a promoter/manager right?

Nate Campbell's co-promoter/manager at that.

[Ch@mpBox@PR]

Hey, Why Bradley dont fight Maidana and Campbell fights Holt?

Easy tune up for Bradley after a tough fight and a statement fight for Nate after not making weight!!!!!!!!!!!!

[OnePunch]

Hey, Why Bradley dont fight Maidana and Campbell fights Holt?

Easy tune up for Bradley after a tough fight and a statement fight for Nate after not making weight!!!!!!!!!!!!

Madiana already has a fight scheduled with Ortiz.............

[Ch@mpBox@PR]

Madiana already has a fight scheduled with Ortiz.............

Is that for a title???????

[DLT]

You are absolutely correct in noting that "signing" and "options" are 2 different things. "Options" have no signing bonus money like "signing" does, and "signing" is typically alot longer than 2 or 3 fights like "options" are. Each serves a certain purpose.

The reason Gary can demand options in this case is that Nate is involved in a legal battle where an interference claim by King is not out of the question if Gary were to try and sign Nate. And since Nate is NOT a mandatory to Bradley, Gary can say "give me options or theres no fight". The same way GBP got options on Floyd for the DLH-Mayweather fight. And the same way King got options on Roy for Tito-Jones. Sometimes its what you have to do in order to get certain fights. Heres a little known fact. I had to give options to Deguardia in order for Nate to get the Kid diamond fight back in 2005. Deguardia didnt even have Kid Diamond, but he did control the Tarver-Jones 3 card that the fight was on. It never amounted to anything, but I still had to give those options up. Its a part of the business.

Even though I hate option deals, you have to look at the facts. Gary has an investment in Bradley. Why would he make a Campbell fight if he doesnt have to? If Nate beats Bradley, then Gary has nothing. Its not a mandatory, so he doesnt have to make the fight. Is it wrong for him to try and protect his investment? Why should he risk his investment "for the sake of boxing" when nobody else will? When Nate had all the 135 titles, we couldnt BUY a fight. The only fights we could get were mandos with Guzman and Funeka. NONE of the GBP or Top Rank guys would fight Nate. Why? Because they didnt have to, and GBP nor Top Rank had anything to gain (and everything to lose) by making those fights. It sucks, but thats the way it is.......

I feel what youre saying but it still goes to my point about Bradley. You talked about guys like Oscar & RJ but Bradley aint them. Sure he dont have to fight Campbell but Nate is probably the biggest money fight out there for Bradley right now unless he wants to jump to WW. I understand options but I have to gain something more then getting a Bradley fight because its big but its not huge. I dont want to say that Nate needed Kid Diamond at the time but he needed Kid Diamond at the time. He doesnt need Bradley. He may want him but he doesnt need him. I could easily see giving options to Pac or Floyd but Bradley? and Im a huge Nate and Bradly fan. I dont want to see them fight because I want them to fight other guys but still. Youre right that Bradly doesnt have to fight Nate but who else is he going to get for more money? He gets a nice purse and he gets to fight a smaller guy who just had trouble in his last fight with Funeka where draining weight all that time may have finally caught up with him.

Now if Bradley would get stripped for taking the fight then I understand but it doesnt seem like that is the case. Now, I could be way off because I didnt even read the opening post of this thread but I just heard where the next guy talked about options and I just feel like Bradley isnt a big enough name to be getting options for stuff. If Shaw ask for options on Bradley, that stuff will come back on him and hurt him more in the long run then help him. However, I guess it depeneds on what the options are. How many fights did he want?

[javelin_fangs]

Is that for a title???????

No, it's for the WBA mandatory. Whoever wins becomes the mandatory for the winner of the Andreas Kotelnik-Amir Khan fight, which takes place on the same day.

[OnePunch]

Is that for a title???????

I think its for the "Interim WBA title", which is a friggin joke since Kotelnik just beat Madiena in a mandatory defense back in Feb. and doesnt have a mando due right now. The WBA is something else.............

[javelin_fangs]

I feel what youre saying but it still goes to my point about Bradley. You talked about guys like Oscar & RJ but Bradley aint them. Sure he dont have to fight Campbell but Nate is probably the biggest money fight out there for Bradley right now unless he wants to jump to WW. I understand options but I have to gain something more then getting a Bradley fight because its big but its not huge. I dont want to say that Nate needed Kid Diamond at the time but he needed Kid Diamond at the time. He doesnt need Bradley. He may want him but he doesnt need him. I could easily see giving options to Pac or Floyd but Bradley? and Im a huge Nate and Bradly fan. I dont want to see them fight because I want them to fight other guys but still. Youre right that Bradly doesnt have to fight Nate but who else is he going to get for more money? He gets a nice purse and he gets to fight a smaller guy who just had trouble in his last fight with Funeka where draining weight all that time may have finally caught up with him.

Now if Bradley would get stripped for taking the fight then I understand but it doesnt seem like that is the case. Now, I could be way off because I didnt even read the opening post of this thread but I just heard where the next guy talked about options and I just feel like Bradley isnt a big enough name to be getting options for stuff. If Shaw ask for options on Bradley, that stuff will come back on him and hurt him more in the long run then help him. However, I guess it depeneds on what the options are. How many fights did he want?

Dude,
Read his post. He explained the situation and since he's the one actually handling the negotiations and understands Nate Campbell's contract situation I think that if you're genuinely interested in understand the situation (as opposed to just formulating an opinion without understanding the context of the situation) then you really should read his post and make sure you understand what he is saying.

He's a promoter. He knows what he's talking about. It's easy for us to sit at our computers and speak nostalgically about the way business should be done in boxing, but you don't actually operate in the boxing business. You aren't actually responsible for managing a company, turning a profit and keeping your fighters happy and successful enough to remain with all while simultaneously trying to attract other fighters and putting on good well attended shows.

[DLT]

Dude,
Read his post. He explained the situation and since he's the one actually handling the negotiations and understands Nate Campbell's contract situation I think that if you're genuinely interested in understand the situation (as opposed to just formulating an opinion without understanding the context of the situation) then you really should read his post and make sure you understand what he is saying.

He's a promoter. He knows what he's talking about. It's easy for us to sit at our computers and speak nostalgically about the way business should be done in boxing, but you don't actually operate in the boxing business. You aren't actually responsible for managing a company, turning a profit and keeping your fighters happy and successful enough to remain with all while simultaneously trying to attract other fighters and putting on good well attended shows.

What are you talkin about? I didnt say that I didnt read what he said. I said I didnt read the bigpoppapump article but I was reading it at the time you wrote this post. You act like I dissed him or something. Im just giving him my opinion and he's answering me back. I like to hear what he has to say. I respect him and where he's coming from but its not like that you cant give your own opinion. What if the guy was Bob Arum? Would you agree with everything he said then? What if he was Don King? Im just talking to him straight up. Im not saying Im right. He could be right on everything and can explain it to me when he responds but stop bowing down to people automaticaly because its there job. Its Matt Millen's job to be the GM of the Lions but he didnt exactly do a great job, did he. Again, that has nothing to do with this guy. Im not dissin him. I actually want to hear his thoughts on the situation. I have some questions and he can answer them if he wants.

I didnt know the 1st time that he was a co promoter but when I still stand by what I wrote and when I wrote him back the 2nd time I still came with my perpesctive. He can tell me where he thinks Im wrong and so on but you act like I just have to bite my tongue and he knows 100% the right thing to do. Promoters and agents get fired every single day. Again, no disrespect to him but Im just telling you where Im coming from and I am a Nate & Bradly fan. Besides, if you look at what both he and I said, we're pretty much in agreement on the fight. I thought he should turn it down and he did