Who is the most overated overhyped fraud of all-time

[glidesmack]

probably muhammad ali or ray robinson. Dancing ******.

[Abstraction]

Calzaghe... farcical career

[TheGreatA]

Ingy was worth more money and Marciano was only looking for 1 fight. He was clearly past it at that point. If you think it's laughable you haven't paid enough attention to Patterson's joke of a resume. Patterson ducked competition like the plague until he got exposed by Sonny Liston. After that, he proved to be just another contender. Glass jaw Patterson with his peekaboo style no way no how survives 8 rounds, much less 15 against a prime Rocky Marciano.

Cus D'Amato ducked opponents but Patterson was willing to take on anybody and he proved this several times.

D'Amato never believed enough in Patterson's abilities, for example he thought Patterson would have had no chance against number 1 contender Eddie Machen, but when Patterson lost his title and fought Machen, he dominated Machen very easily.

He had wins over Ingemar Johansson, Eddie Machen, Oscar Bonavena, Archie Moore, George Chuvalo, Yvon Durelle, Hurricane Jackson, Jimmy Slade, Henry Cooper, Roy Harris, which is by no means a joke of a resume.

If you ask me he won those bouts against Joey Maxim, Jerry Quarry and Jimmy Ellis, which would have made him a 3 time heavyweight champion.

He still took on two of the best heavyweights at the time Sonny Liston and Muhammad Ali, even if he did not win. He went against his managers to give Sonny a chance.

The man should have been no more than a light heavyweight, yet he competed against 200+ lbs men on a regular basis. He was down more than any other heavyweight champions but he also got up more times than any other heavyweight champion.

[TheGreatA]

probably muhammad ali or ray robinson. Dancing ******.

Ali and Robinson were two of the gamest fighters there ever were. Look at Ali's fights against Frazier for example, he was not afraid to trade punches even though he was more of a mover.

Robinson on the other hand preferred slugging to dancing and finished off opposition as quick as he could. Perhaps you should watch more of his fights.

[Walt Liquor]

prince naseem hamed

[TheGreatA]

All-time the most overrated fighter has to be Jack Dempsey. The man was a great fighter but there's no reason to rank him in the top 10 pound for pound as so many people do.

He had a great run leading up to the heavyweight title but he did very little while reigning as champion.

The fact that he did not fight Harry Wills, the outstanding number 1 challenger in the world, takes a lot away from his resume. Now I personally do not believe that Dempsey was scared of fighting Wills but for whatever reason the fight never happened. At the moment I can't think of any other champion who did not fight his top ranked challenger for 7 years.

[glidesmack]

I agree whole heartedly with your comments regarding floyd patterson. As for Ali and Robinson, I've watched plenty of footage of both.

[TheGreatA]

I agree whole heartedly with your comments regarding floyd patterson. As for Ali and Robinson, I've watched plenty of footage of both.

Seemingly not enough if you believe that they were "dancing ******".

[glidesmack]

It seems so ironic that I find your comments regarding floyd to be so incredibly accurate, yet I think you are completely wrong regarding dempsey. One of us is certainly wrong. At his peak, I rate dempsey higher pound for pound than even the most pro-dempsey historians. His reign as champion was pathetic and miserable - his abilities at his peak were not. He was a hobo for a long time before winning the championship, and he may have felt he was due a few years of the easy life. Even in the second tunney fight he isn't in top shape.

At his peak, he was a top 10 pound for pound puncher with the hardest left hook, pound for pound, of all time. He threw it like a haymaker from a southpaw stance, and no one else's comes close. Plus, he could move around the ring, on his toes, at a very, very high speed, probably putting him in the top ten movers all time for heavyweights. That's top ten pound for pound power, top ten movement for a heavyweight. Did I mention he had quite a chin, not to mention virtually every other quality a great fighter is supposed to possess? Personally I think that makes him the greatest fighter of all time. What do you think?

[glidesmack]

muhammad ali repeatedly called himself "the prettiest thing that ever lived" and described his fighting style as "float like a butterfly, sting like a bee." His idol, Ray Robinson, claimed to never have enjoyed boxing, retired to become a professional dancer, and returned to the ring only because of financial problems. If that doesn't make them dancing ******, I don't know what does.