Khan vs. Kotelnik - Amir Preps For a Tough Camp

[gingeralbino]

If Khan can't beat Kotelnik, then he can't beat any world class fighter. Kotelnik is a very good fighter but he's much less of a threat to Khan than Valero, Marquez, Funeka, Prescott, Campbell, or Bradley. I think he's a good test for Khan at this point in his career. My only objection to the fight is that it's too early for him to be fighting for a belt, IMO, he needs some more learning fights under Roach first, to improve his fundamentals and test himself against a variety of styles. If he beats Kotelnik, what then? I don't think he's ready for Ortiz yet. I think he could end up following the path of David Reid, who won a world title before he had had enough learning fights, and then got beaten up so badly by his first genuinely world class opponent he faced after that (Trinidad) that he was never the same again. A much more strategically sound opponent for him at this point in his career would have been David Diaz, or Alex Arthur, IMO. But Warren has never been a long term thinker, and has always put short term titles above the long term welfare of his boxers. It's a shame.

I agree but thats what a sky box office contract does for you (why in the name of God is he PPV!!?)
Sky will have been putting the pressure on saying he needs big fights. Barrera is a big name, well known in the UK mainstream for beating Naz. Now he fighting for a world title. Money talks.

[gingeralbino]

If Khan can't beat Kotelnik, then he can't beat any world class fighter. Kotelnik is a very good fighter but he's much less of a threat to Khan than Valero, Marquez, Funeka, Prescott, Campbell, or Bradley. I think he's a good test for Khan at this point in his career. My only objection to the fight is that it's too early for him to be fighting for a belt, IMO, he needs some more learning fights under Roach first, to improve his fundamentals and test himself against a variety of styles. If he beats Kotelnik, what then? I don't think he's ready for Ortiz yet. I think he could end up following the path of David Reid, who won a world title before he had had enough learning fights, and then got beaten up so badly by his first genuinely world class opponent he faced after that (Trinidad) that he was never the same again. A much more strategically sound opponent for him at this point in his career would have been David Diaz, or Alex Arthur, IMO. But Warren has never been a long term thinker, and has always put short term titles above the long term welfare of his boxers. It's a shame.

I disagree here though. Warren (with his cash cows at least, of which Khan is his biggest atm) usually thinks long term, hence why so many of his fighters dont take big risks. Look at Calz, if ever there was a case of a promoter looking after (yeah ok, protecting!) the long term interests of a fighter its him.

[mrosborne]

I disagree here though. Warren (with his cash cows at least, of which Khan is his biggest atm) usually thinks long term, hence why so many of his fighters dont take big risks. Look at Calz, if ever there was a case of a promoter looking after (yeah ok, protecting!) the long term interests of a fighter its him.

Frank Warren is a two faced piece of **** with a ten ton chip on his shoulder and a stomach full of sour g****s. His obvious slighted, jilted lover complex is painfully obvious in the way he gloats over his former fighter in Hatton. It's sickening really how twisted this guy is in his enjoyment of Hatton's defeat. I wish somebody would hit him with a truck in broad daylight on national television. F U C K him.

[The_Demon]

I think khan moving up to 140 is just to get khan into position to fight hatton in manchester and have hatton pass the torch to khan.

I think i've read reports where its been said khan will return to 135.


on a different note, khan should not compare himself to pac, he's no where close.

i agree and i dont think khan beats any version of hatton

[gingeralbino]

Frank Warren is a two faced piece of **** with a ten ton chip on his shoulder and a stomach full of sour g****s. His obvious slighted, jilted lover complex is painfully obvious in the way he gloats over his former fighter in Hatton. It's sickening really how twisted this guy is in his enjoyment of Hatton's defeat. I wish somebody would hit him with a truck in broad daylight on national television. F U C K him.

lol he is a prick, never said he wasnt, i said he protected fighters. He said himself he would let hatton fight Pac. Thats protecting Hatton, and its also why hes a prick!
Frank Warren can get u to the top (well an abc world champ at least), just leave him when u get there or you'll be fighting bums during your best years. He'll ***** about u after u leave him but you'll be a household name by then so u dont need him.

[Dave Rado]

I disagree here though. Warren (with his cash cows at least, of which Khan is his biggest atm) usually thinks long term, hence why so many of his fighters dont take big risks. Look at Calz, if ever there was a case of a promoter looking after (yeah ok, protecting!) the long term interests of a fighter its him.

You're misunderstanding what I meant. Over-protecting a fighter is never in a fighter's long term interests. Calzaghe was good enough to have beaten much better competition than he faced, and it was in Calzaghe's long term interests for Warren to make those fights.

The right way to bring on a prospect is the way Holyfield was brought on. He learnt the fundamentals from the very start, and fought tough competition in every fight. As a result, he was ready to win his first world title after only eleven fights. That was in his long term interests, because it set him up for an ATG career, and he became one of the richest boxers in history. Cotto is another good example of how to bring on a prospect properly. By contrast, Khan was seriously over-protected for his first 20 fights, was never taught the fundamentals of the professional game until he teamed up with Roach, and as a result he was badly exposed by the first world class prospect he fought (Prescott). Then he fought another journeyman (Gomez) who couldn't test him. Barrera could have been a good test if it hadn't been for the injury but the injury made it a fairly meaningless fight. He needs two to three tough, meaningful fights under Roach, that can really test him, against fighters just below world class, before fighting for world titles.

Khan has the talent to be a world class fighter, but the appalling match-making he's had, first being disastrously over-protected, then being rushed too fast, and not having a good trainer who could teach him the fundamentals of professional boxing until after his 21st fight, is in danger of destroying his long term potential. And it's entirely Warren's fault.

[southcalihds]

lol khan will get knocked out in 1 sec. lol

[Dave Rado]

I agree but thats what a sky box office contract does for you (why in the name of God is he PPV!!?)
Sky will have been putting the pressure on saying he needs big fights. Barrera is a big name, well known in the UK mainstream for beating Naz. Now he fighting for a world title. Money talks.

I'm sure Sky would have been happy if he'd fought David Diaz or Alex Arthur next. I think Warren just saw an opportunity for Khan to fight for a belt against relatively weak opposition (compared with most of the other title holders, it's still a very tough fight indeed for Khan) - and took it.

[The_Demon]

I'm sure Sky would have been happy if he'd fought David Diaz or Alex Arthur next. I think Warren just saw an opportunity for Khan to fight for a belt against relatively weak opposition (compared with most of the other title holders, it's still a very tough fight indeed for Khan) - and took it.

ye i agree,the LW division is to hot for khan right now,and warren said last year amir would have a title shot in the next 18 months (thats was before prescott) and kotelnik is the weakest worl champion khan could fight right now imo-not saying he will win though

[mrosborne]

lol he is a prick, never said he wasnt, i said he protected fighters. He said himself he would let hatton fight Pac. Thats protecting Hatton, and its also why hes a prick!
Frank Warren can get u to the top (well an abc world champ at least), just leave him when u get there or you'll be fighting bums during your best years. He'll ***** about u after u leave him but you'll be a household name by then so u dont need him.

I concur. Frank keeps his babies in their cribs until it's time to cash them out, that's a fact. Hatton though to his credit fought nothing but good fighters from start to finish, and lost to the best fighters in our era in Pacman and Mayweather, so I would say in the Hitman's case he wasn't AS PROTECTED as most in the Warren stable.

Personally, I think he knows Amir Khan is going to be a spectacular bust and is looking to cash him out ASAP. That chin is not going to hold water any better than a grandparent with bladder control problems and he knows it.