Manny Pacquiao Won ONLY 4 Major Belts?

[MaFu MoFo]

ring titles are more meaningful for me than the orgs.

remember how judah kept some of his titles because baldomir didn't pay the sanctioning fees? lmao

LMAO!!! Baldo was a bum, he did not have the money... LMAO!!!

[Alibata]

The Ring Magazine is just someone's freakin' opinion. Like them or not the sanctioning bodies determine champs..this has nothing to do with Pac's accomplishments..i think we should count belts only when the titles are actually at stake..

You got to learn more about boxing son. The ring title is more highly regarded by most. Do you know what a lineal champion even is? He is the man that beat the man that beat the man. Lineal champions are the ones that have the historical link to champions of the past. Hatton was a linear champion because he beat the man that beat the man that beat the man etc. and only lost the alphabet belts because he left the division. Same with Barrera. alphabet belts that are inherited or passed down is not more legitimate historically because they did not beat a champion to get it. Sometimes real champ don't pay fees of alphabets so it goes to a fake champ. Lineal champs are always the real champs. Pacquiao is the real champ of 4 divisions and the only one able to accomplish that in the history of the sport. The ring belt represents historical fact; the lineal champion and is not an opinion of some guy as you put it.

[andrew14]

the thing is with belts today are useless...

pac can fight any champion in jr welter and welter and make some belts..

he is fighting for money and legacy fighting the best...

[Brandish]

ring titles are more meaningful for me than the orgs.

remember how judah kept some of his titles because baldomir didn't pay the sanctioning fees? lmao

ring doesn't sanction it's fights nor does it enforce mandatories. hence the whole ricky hatton fiasco, where he never fought the top guiys at 140 like junior witter, tim bradley, kendall holt, ricardo torres, floyd mayeweather jr, or miguel cotto.

a limited club fighter like hatton beats the "ring champion" and can sit on his magazine title and not fight any meanigfulk fighters for years and still be called the "real champion" eventhough he isn't fighting the best fighters in his division.

the ring is not a major title until it starts stripping fighters and forcing them to fight the best in their weight class. until then the WBC, WBA, and IBF have more meaing from a historical perpsective.

[Vasyl’s dad]

ring doesn't sanction it's fights nor does it enforce mandatories. hence the whole Floyd Mayweather fiasco, where he never fought the top guiys at 147 like Antonio Margarito, Paul Williams, Shane Mosley, Joshua Clottey, or miguel cotto.

a fighter like Mayweather beats the "ring champion" and can sit on his magazine title and not fight any meanigfulk fighters for years and still be called the "real champion" eventhough he isn't fighting the best fighters in his division.

the ring is not a major title until it starts stripping fighters and forcing them to fight the best in their weight class. until then the WBC, WBA, and IBF have more meaing from a historical perpsective.

Fixed it for you.

I wanted it to make sense.

[Bhopreign]

[QUOTE=mangler;5265712]

They would argue that Mayweather won more major belts

I know. I wonder when Bhopreign will get in here and start sayin lineal/Ring belts don't count.

When have I ever said that?

[MANGLER]

[QUOTE=Bhopreign;5271266]

When have I ever said that?

When you disputed Pac bein a 6 division champ and said 'name those divisions' homey. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=270115

[Fights]

Forget all the belt crap...

His win over prime Barrera is worth more than his win over Ledbadwadbadwa or his win over Diaz.

You have a point there. I suppose one should look at the quality of opponent.

Sugar Ray Robinson for example didn't strayed far from his original division: middleweight. Yet he is considered the greatest of all time because he fought quality fighters. The who's who of hall of famers that Sugar has beaten is astounding.

[Bhopreign]

[QUOTE=mangler;5271295]

When you disputed Pac bein a 6 division champ and said 'name those divisions' homey. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=270115

I only said he wasnt a 6 weight champ, I never said I didnt respect the Ring titles. I went to boxrec and just counted his titles,boxrec doesnt show Ring titles unless you click the open books, after I was corrected that two of the titles were Ring(Barrera and Hatton), I stopped my argument, I respect Ring titles, with Oscar owning them I will keep a close eye on them lol.

[Fights]

Ricky Hatton was at one time the IBF, and WBA jww champ, he never lost the belts, and if you trace it back further Kostya Tszyu was the IBF, WBA, and WBC champ, but he had to relinquish the WBA and WBC belts. He never lost them. He lost to Hatton....and Hatton never lost his belts by being beaten. Technically Pacquiao didnt win a "major" title because no sanctioning body had the fights outside the IBO, but he beat THE champ at featherweight and JWW, and no one can dispute that.

You're right. Kostya Tszyu was the first major belt of Hatton (IBF light welterweight title). The fight with Collazo gained him another alphabelt at another division (WBA World welterweight title).