If Floyd Destroys Marquez...............BY KO

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    #31
    Originally posted by Orion
    My question is if he KO's marquez does it change the way people think being that Pacquiao couldnt stop Marquez?
    yes, floyd needs to KO marquez impressively to gain back some credibility

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    • SkillspayBills
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      #32
      Originally posted by sandyvahra
      Actually I give Floyd all the credit for his skill, but sorry his resume lacks and if you honestly think this is a fair fight you dont know boxing. Youre not a floyd fan yet your name is skillspaybills? Isnt that what floyd says about 1000 times infront of camera? How is the Manny vs. Oscar comparison relevevant? Is Oscar equeal to Floyd? LOL you make 0 sense.



      Personal feelings? Floyd retired, and he barely cracked top 50 ATG. If his resume and opponents were so worthy he'd be higher genius. Think before you post, Floyd's only knock is his resume! You think bringing Marquez up to WW improves his resume? Get checked.
      1.I didn't say I wasn't a fan of Floyd.
      2.If you knew me you would know my username comes from Ray Leonard.
      3.Your argument is incoherent. You want to rail against my examples without actually paying attention to what I said. Ever heard of the phrase "You heard me but you didn't LISTEN" try LISTENING.
      4.I SAID Manny vs Oscar is an example of how everyone(I won't lie including me) thought Manny would get his ass kicked SIMPLY because he was so much smaller, but they should have taken into account the skill difference and energy difference. Floyd won't beat JMM because he is bigger than him, he isn't Ricky Hatton his style isn't to bully you, he will beat him with SKILL because he is better at every aspect(offense is much debatable) of the game than him PERIOD.
      5.I am saying even if he beat Pac(who I gurantee you call an ATG) you wouldn't give him credit. Pac was too small right? He would beat Mosley, no credit (too old right?) beat Cotto, no credit(war with Marg took alot out of him). I want him to fight all three of those fighters, the difference between me and you is I want to see him fight them because I believe he can and SHOULD beat the best. You want to see them so he can lose, and even if he won you would just look for the next man.
      6.LEARN BOXING then come at me correctly, amateur.
      Last edited by SkillspayBills; 05-09-2009, 06:31 PM.

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      • Orion
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        #33
        Originally posted by SkillspayBills
        1.I didn't say I was a fan of Floyd.
        2.If you knew me you would know my username comes from Ray Leonard.
        3.Your argument is incoherent. You want to rail against my examples without actually paying attention to what I said. Ever heard of the phrase "You heard me but you didn't LISTEN" try LISTENING.
        4.I SAID Manny vs Oscar is an example of how everyone(I won't lie including me) though Manny would get his ass kicked SIMPLY because he was so much smaller, but they should have taken into account the skill difference and energy difference. Floyd won't beat JMM because he is bigger than him, he isn't Ricky Hatton his style isn't to pully you, he will beat him with SKILL because he is better at every aspect(offense is much debatable) of the game than him PERIOD.
        5.I am saying even if he beat Pac(who I gurantee you call an ATG) you wouldn't give him credit. Pac was too small right? He would beat Mosley, no credit (to old right?) beat Cotto, no credit(war with Marg). I want him to fight all three of those fighters, the difference between me and you is I want to see him fight them because I believe he can and SHOULD beat the best. You want to see them so he can lose, and even if he won you would just look for the next man.
        6.LEARN BOXING then come at me correctly, amateur.

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        • SkillspayBills
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          #34
          Originally posted by sandyvahra
          Marquez is lb 4 lb #2 as a lightweight, now a WW. Dont call him #2 lb 4 lb when you're taking him out of his division. I dont care about the difference in actual godamn pounds. THE POINT IS YOU DONT GET CREDIT FOR BEATING UP OLDER, SMALLER, SLOWER, WEAKER GUYS. If you don't understand that I can't help you.
          1.The fight isn't at WW
          2.You are not p4p at a particular weight, you are a WORLD CHAMPION at a particular weight. The definiton of P4P EXPLICITLY tries to exclude weight you dolt.(if everyone WERE THE SAME WEIGHT who would win)
          3.That's fine Floyd is much bigger and better than JMM you don't and I wouldn't give him tons of credit for whooping his ass. However, you wouldn't give him credit FOR ANYONE HE BEATS. No matter WHAT.
          3.I can't even debate someone who doesn't know what the hell they are talking about. Where is my brother 2501 at least he was a challenge.

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          • The Gully Gad
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            #35
            **** skills is killin **** up in here!!

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              #36
              Yea he is, and i agree with everything hes saying too.

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              • sandyvahra
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                #37
                Originally posted by SkillspayBills
                1.I didn't say I was a fan of Floyd.
                2.If you knew me you would know my username comes from Ray Leonard.
                3.Your argument is incoherent. You want to rail against my examples without actually paying attention to what I said. Ever heard of the phrase "You heard me but you didn't LISTEN" try LISTENING.
                4.I SAID Manny vs Oscar is an example of how everyone(I won't lie including me) though Manny would get his ass kicked SIMPLY because he was so much smaller, but they should have taken into account the skill difference and energy difference. Floyd won't beat JMM because he is bigger than him, he isn't Ricky Hatton his style isn't to pully you, he will beat him with SKILL because he is better at every aspect(offense is much debatable) of the game than him PERIOD.
                5.I am saying even if he beat Pac(who I gurantee you call an ATG) you wouldn't give him credit. Pac was too small right? He would beat Mosley, no credit (to old right?) beat Cotto, no credit(war with Marg). I want him to fight all three of those fighters, the difference between me and you is I want to see him fight them because I believe he can and SHOULD beat the best. You want to see them so he can lose, and even if he won you would just look for the next man.
                6.LEARN BOXING then come at me correctly, amateur.
                Manny is an example that weight didn't matter & the underdog came through, yes. But where did the adage "A good big man beats a good little man" come from? Yes remarkable fighers have been able to come up in weight and beat bigger guys based on skill, but this particular fight hell no. JMM is not as skilled in any facet. Add to that he is much older, slower, weaker, etc. This should be nothing short of a total domination by Floyd.

                You're #5 is way off. Im a bigger fan of the sport than hugger/hater of any fighter. Ive already said I think Floyds skillset is phenomenol & I want to see it tested. I'll go on record now saying a fight with Pac, Cotto or Mosley (which for the record i want to see them all) are more legacy defining and mean more on Floyds resume. I've never posted anything about wanting to see Floyd lose, only that he should fight the best & that's clearly is 1 knock.

                When you see a talent like Floyd and you see him barely crack peoples top 50 ATG theres a problem there. Floyd has all the talent to be a top 5-10 ATG, I admit that. I'd love to see it. But what he's done so far resume wise is disappointing. Escpecially when you look at active fighters today who have shown the warrior heart and willingness to fight anyone.

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                • sandyvahra
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by SkillspayBills
                  1.The fight isn't at WW
                  2.You are not p4p at a particular weight, you are a WORLD CHAMPION at a particular weight. The definiton of P4P EXPLICITLY tries to exclude weight you dolt.(if everyone WERE THE SAME WEIGHT who would win)
                  3.That's fine Floyd is much bigger and better than JMM you don't and I wouldn't give him tons of credit for whooping his ass. However, you wouldn't give him credit FOR ANYONE HE BEATS. No matter WHAT.
                  3.I can't even debate someone who doesn't know what the hell they are talking about. Where is my brother 2501 at least he was a challenge.
                  1. The fight is above jr. WW, he's fighting a WW since 2005 tho
                  2. Marquez is unproven at/above 140. You can call him #2 lb 4 lb going in, we all know he won't be going out. There's other guy's at that weight who would be too much for him.
                  3. Again, I've given floyd credit for everything except his willingness to fight the best. You pust say a warrior heart like mosley's in floyds body. Do you have a higher ATG? do you have better fights than we've seen? Do you see more challenges? My money says yes.

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                  • KTowe1992
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                    #39
                    i cant knock you larry cause you really know your pretty boy stuff. but i have to say him picking this fight was a little disappointing for everyone and you know that as well as I. I dislike him he is ****y and so arragont. But he is a surgeon and maybe the best boxer ive ever seen, anyways what im trying to say is not many people could beat JMM but nothing will be settled until he fights pac.

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                    • thebowtod
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                      #40
                      I dont know guys... i have a feeling this fight is going to be closer than people expect... i just have this gut feeling that marquez has a chance in this fight.

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