Wrightful owner to P4P#1 is Paul.

[THE REED]

Samsonite! I was way off! I knew it started with an S, though.

[-Antonio-]

Wink has been overrated p4p for a while now. He's always been a very good, borderline great fighter, but his resume since beating Mosley is overrated. Shane is not made for 154.

Points for the thread title though.

[-Swizzy-]

They were right when some considered Ronald "Winky" Wright the P4P champion. Manny Pacquiao should only be given the title if a champion is measured on how many seats he sells rather than he/she defying the odds. The wins over unpoised Ricky Hatton and the underachieving De La Hoya doesn't give him the right for the following:

Manny Pacquiao's conquest ended when his greed began by refusing to fight Juan Manuel Marquez after their highly contested and controversial bout. He moved on instead as an underdog? and fought a dehydrated De La Hoya, whos best opponent he defeated in well over 5 years, was Ricardo Mayorga. What we learned in the fight with Hatton is that Pacquaio has power and that a leopard cannot change his spots. Looking at the fight it is clear that Hatton simply didn't respect nor believe in his power. Hatton was much more competitive against Mayweather because of the threat recognition of the bigger Mayweather. There was a chance because Hatton hired Floyd Sr. and looked good when he outboxed the boxer in Malignaggi right? No, the fact was that his feather punching opponent could not hit hard enough to bring out the leopard. Which made that an inadequate measure of his improvements. Once Hatton's cage was rattled, he simply lost his head. He didn't want to believe it so he set out on a mission to prove that disregarding his defense, becoming the leopard that he is. You may ask, why did Mayweather go 12 with a guy that Pacqaio tko'd? Its cut and dry, De La Hoya could only cover up in the fight, which he has defense, but could not punch at 147. Pacquaio knows that defensive fighters give him problems and this is why is chose money over fighting J.Marquez and is not P4P#1.

JMM on the other end moves on to ko Joel Casamayor and furthermore ko Juan Diaz. I underline ko because Nate Campbell had beaten Diaz on cards on a night where he was not in the ring (e.g. P.Williams vs. C.Quintana).

P4P status should be given to fighters who dont hide behind the materialistic excuses but takes all challenges in order to defy odds and prove thier claims. For this reason Winky was #1P4P until Paul Williams punished him. This is a champion that up until that lost had only 1 legit defeat which was early in his career before winning as underdog in 2 fights some of us say 3 while on 7 year winning streak. Winky out of frustration of recieving nothing for something he had worked hard for. He further clouded the picture when he disadvantaged himself by becoming a ducker stating that he was on a "paper chase" and chosing to move to fight Hopkins at a weight that Hopkins had come more accustomed to. For that I cannot knock his P4P status.



With that being said here is the P4P based on truth not $:

1.Paul Williams- hasn't ducked anyone. He was the first to beat Margarito when he was considered a threat. And now people say he doesn't have a big name on his resume'. Aren't all the names he needs hiding behind the money? Has the ability to legitimately face all from 147-160lbs.

2.Juan Manuel Marquez- besides aforementioned, he also doesn't own a duck. A win over Mayweather puts him above Paul.

3.Chad Dawson-he is also a member of the duckless, but also a victim to weak division. But also truely the reason Calzaghe is retired.

4.Vic Darchinyan- after only lost by ko to Donaire, he has made adjustments and become a complete terror for any style he has faced since. Also happens to be calling for Manny Pacqauio. NO DUCKS! PLUS HAS ILL INTENTIONS EVERY TIME STEPS IN RING.

5.Winky Wright- Its hard to throw him too far down on the list after only really being beaten by the guy who's #1. He is tough to beat for everybody in 154-160 except..plus he ducked at a time when he was on top not en route to.

6. Shane Mosley- I don't see a loss since his second bout with Wright. Cotto was a beaten fighter, when the fight that close its about what man has imposed thier will. We saw Cotto fighting backwards for the first time. Needless to say he goes to ko the man who ko'd Cotto. But doesn't want Paul.

7.Bernard Hopkins- He was up there but due to him ducking Wright at 160 but fighting him a year later at 170lbs. He doesnt go beyond Wright on this list. Has done this for all of his so called career defining wins.

8.Floyd Mayweather- The most talented but least tested. He has hand picked particular champions in the weight classes he has traveled through. He doesn't want Winky, Margarito, or Cotto but calls for Mosley but now after things have blown over wants no part of Shane Mosley but rather wants to disadvange JMM and use his P4P ranking as a claim for him to be top dog.

9.Manny Pacquaio- He continues to surprise us all with his power, but has yet to show an ability to win against defensive fighter. The first fight with JMM when despite being down 3 times in the first round he was able to fight to a draw.

10.Miguel Cotto- The next Shane Mosley in terms of going on a streak. He is tough as nails and indeed will continue where he left off with Mosley. So what he lost to the plaster master.


barely missed- Andre Berto- Limited competition but speed, agility, moderate power. If Mayweather is the 93 in fuel he is the 89.

most honorable mention-Roy Jones Jr. was the last to be recognized as such without controversy. He began to lose because he kept on trying to do the unthinkable. And that is how you earn your claim to being great. Needs to retire, everyone with this attitude ends up showing the signs. Ali, Holyfield, so in this sense Tyson was smarter than the rest.

Joe Calzaghe doesn't go, only has a win against Lacy as reason. Roy is now a shell of himself, come to think of it its funny he was knocked down by this guy. Did he interpret his gift against Hopkins as a sign to retire. Lets see I guess there is reason why all of his options had he stayed are listed ontop of him on this list. He can't beat any of them.

It is really hard to fight the truth without it, so lets stay logic with our responses. There is a reason Teddy Atlas knew Mike Tyson would do what he did to Holyfield.

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lol, this is just ridiculous.

why do ppl keep saying that the first pac-marquez fight was a draw. stop getting your info off of boxrec. the first fight was a draw because one judge scored the first round 10-7 instead of 10-6. Pacquiao won that fight and the rematch. a trilogy is not needed for pacquiao because he doesn't have anything to prove as he has already won twice but I wouldn't mind seeing another fight between them.

[truthhurts]

Flippin your retired because you use money as a reason for bhop to duck dawson and you dont know the story why Vic and Donaire havent gotten it on again. sit back and watch a pro.

[-Antonio-]

Samsonite! I was way off! I knew it started with an S, though.

So you're saying there's a chance!

[THE REED]

Tattoo on the lower back? Might as well be a bullseye.

[THE REED]

John, I was first team All-State. I can put the ball anywhere I want to. I'll make it rain out here.

[Ch@mpBox@PR]

10K says the lakers win tonight...any takers?

how about all your points? **** the lakers? **** your bank acount....sig it

Hey calm down highspeed.


I dont like the Lakers but Im not ****** either.

10K SIg it!!!!!!!!!!!


ANyways Lebron and the Cavs are whooping that ass in the finals!!!!!!!

[BetterCallSaul]

Max...Max Kellerman...is that you?

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

lucky left your 3,4,and 5 runs from my #1.

pac was supposidly to small against a dehydrated fighter who could only cover up, and although he did surprise us with hatton ko, wasnt he favored. his last meaningful fight was with the person he runs from.

the reason why u say paul isn't #1 is the reason why i write you buying into this payday as being a reason to duck.

I would run from King Kong too but does that put King Kong # 1 P4P on the list? Honestly and unfortunately boxing is what it is and some matchups we will NEVER get to see. But we have judge those off the match ups we have seen son. that being said P Will does not have a winover another top 10 P4P fighter under his belt reason or no reason he just doesn;t. let him fight at 154 or 160 for a while and get some wins under his belt against AA or Pavlik maybe fight Dawson or Taylor someone with some pop at that weight instead of Andy Kolle and Verno Phillips top it off with a over the hill low work rate Winky Wright....come on my man P Will got some tools but you are talking about Floyd being untested and then you wanna put P Will straight to the TOP????

n sebspeed de la hoya is bigger than mosley so why did he take that fight?

He took the fight against Oscar because Freddy Roach had the opportunity to train Oscar for one fight and saw somethin gin Oscar he knew he could exploit. Bottom line plain and simple..He took the Hatton fight because he felt hatton was tailor made for him coming forward with his hands down and he felt meaning Freddy Roach knew this. manny in my mind will fight anyone his team puts in front of him he dont run he runs in to fights. Get that straight my man. Anything else you said was plain circumstancial and you have no proof because the ranking you entered are backed up by the fact you felt those fighters were ducked. When it comes down to it if it don't make dollars it don't make sense. If Floyd could get the same money he got from fighting Oscar he would have fought P Will along time ago....Lefty