Is Freddie Roach capable of creating a plan to beat Floyd Jr?

[-Antonio-]

One thing Marquez has over Floyd is he counters in combination. He'll land a solid counter punch then finish with an excellent combination. Floyd does not put his punches together as well or as often.

And if Floyd has to open up against a good southpaw who can punch (not Corely or Mitchell), who actually throws punches (not Judah), then he will be hit a lot more than he's used to.

[Silky-Flow]

Silky...actually Corley landed several good shots early on, including a beautiful straight left right on the button that drove Floyd a few steps back. And while Floyd did go on to win those fights convincingly, it's those flaws that a trainer will look to capitalize on. Especially if you see a pattern (Mitchell getting through, Corley getting through, Zab even scoring a KD).

Come on now the so called "kd" was clearly more about Floyd being off balance than anything else , another thing we have to consider is Floyd was moving up in weight when he faced those southpaws, and he was still to reach his peak form which i think was his performance against Hatton, yes Freddy can study those fights but the thing is on all occasions Floyd learned and adjusted, so he's at least proven that he can deal with it, the question is has Manny learned how to deal with a counter puncher? he didn't seem to in the second fight against Jmm and he hasn't faced anyone with that amount of countering ability since then.

[S A M U R A I]

Those bodyshot KO's were so long ago.

Not only that, but one of these "body shot KO's" doesn't even exist.

FACT: MP was KO'd only once by a body shot while weight drained. It was to a nobody. If he was sensitive to the body, over the last 10 years some great fighters such as Barrera (very good body puncher) and Morales would have taken advantage.

Pacquiao is sensitive to body shots = myth.



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[shadeyfizzle]

Yes, Roach is more than capable of creating a plan to beat Floyd. Floyd's game usually consists of jabbing when he's out in space to take advantage of his huge reach and then anticipating punches when in mid-range....wait til the other guy overextends....then potshot.

Manny has alot more tools in his arsenal now than he did before...and he's become just as intelligent a fighter as floyd and marquez himself.

If i were to guess what the plan would be for mayweather I would say it's to attack head-on in an attempt to smother him....throw in some feints somewhere to get floyd to commit to a counter...then counter the counter....go straight at floyd expexting the slick lateral movement...and throw a right hook when floyd moves to the left.

Somewhere along those lines.

[shadeyfizzle]

Not only that, but one of these "body shot KO's" doesn't even exist.

FACT: MP was KO'd only once by a body shot while weight drained. It was to a nobody. If he was sensitive to the body, over the last 10 years some great fighters such as Barrera (very good body puncher) and Morales would have taken advantage.

Pacquiao is sensitive to body shots = myth.

Amen to that. It was more of a low blow, to a headbutt combination that laid him out.

[IMDAZED]

Come on now the so called "kd" was clearly more about Floyd being off balance than anything else , another thing we have to consider is Floyd was moving up in weight when he faced those southpaws, and he was still to reach his peak form which i think was his performance against Hatton, yes Freddy can study those fights but the thing is on all occasions Floyd learned and adjusted, so he's at least proven that he can deal with it, the question is has Manny learned how to deal with a counter puncher? he didn't seem to in the second fight against Jmm and he hasn't faced anyone with that amount of countering ability since then.

He got hit, his glove touched the canvas. No one said he was hurt, we said he got knocked down. They count off-balance ones too, you know?

Whatever...you're right. Floyd has no flaws. Corley managed to hurt him because he moved up in weight. Same with Zab. And Mitchell touched him up because it was a new division for Floyd. Ironically...ALL OF THOSE GUYS fought in lower divisions as well.

[S A M U R A I]

Amen to that. It was more of a low blow, to a headbutt combination that laid him out.

I was so sick of hearing that Pacquiao had been "KO'd by body shots twice" I made a thread on it.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=265628

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[Silky-Flow]

He got hit, his glove touched the canvas. No one said he was hurt, we said he got knocked down. They count off-balance ones too, you know?

Whatever...you're right. Floyd has no flaws. Corley managed to hurt him because he moved up in weight. Same with Zab. And Mitchell touched him up because it was a new division for Floyd. Ironically...ALL OF THOSE GUYS fought in lower divisions as well.

The thing is you are trying to use those fights as some sort of "example" that Floyd isn't comfortable facing southpaws when the fact is he murdered all three of those dudes in the end , the way you're talking you'd think Floyd was all on the floore and taking untold punishment, YES he got caught a few times but he ADJUSTED which is the main thing, i would think he would watch those tapes back also and contrive not to make any of those mistakes again, also was the so called "kd" even scored as a kd? i don't even think it was lol.

[Silky-Flow]

I was so sick of hearing that Pacquiao had been "KO'd by body shots twice" I made a thread on it.

Well it did look like a body shot from first glance, but never the less whether it was a "body shot" or not Manny got laid flat out.

[IMDAZED]

The thing is you are trying to use those fights as some sort of "example" that Floyd isn't comfortable facing southpaws when the fact is he murdered all three of those dudes in the end , the way you're talking you'd think Floyd was all on the floore and taking untold punishment, YES he got caught a few times but he ADJUSTED which is the main thing, i would think he would watch those tapes back also and contrive not to make any of those mistakes again, also was the so called "kd" even scored as a kd? i don't even think it was lol.

What is your point...? Just curious. Yes, he came back and won all of those...it doesn't change the fact that southpaws have had more success against him than most others.