Is Freddie Roach capable of creating a plan to beat Floyd Jr?

[Dirt E Gomez]

The plan isn't hard to make for Pac. It just has to be unrelenting pressure. It's not so much a strategy as it is a test of conditioning. Pac has to be able to fight the full 12 rounds in great shape because if he fades that's when Mayweather would pull ahead and start landing flush frequently.

[Silky-Flow]

No one is unbeatable--of course Roach can come up with the right plan. Whether Manny can execute it is another story. I remember a few months before Floyd Mayweather moved to 140, I was talking to a former matchmaker who's knowledge of the sport may be unparallelled today (no BS). We were discussing a possible Judah-Mayweather bout down the line and he mentioned that Floyd would have trouble early because 1. all fighters tend to against southpaws and 2. Floyd especially had trouble with them. When I asked him why he said that, he pointed to a fight very early in his career (pro or amateur, I'm not sure) where he said Floyd was hurt pretty seriously by a lefty.

I kinda forgot about that until DeMarcus Corley rocked Floyd with the right hook and sc****d him with straight lefts even before that. Then I watched Sharmba Mitchell enjoy small success early against Floyd...then Zab (even knocking Floyd down). Now I can't help but think about what that matchmaker said.

I don't know if Pacquiao's disciplined enough but I'm sure Roach knows what's up. Let's not forget that when he was fighting as a welter, Buddy McGirt used to claim that he had the blueprint to beat the supposedly unbeatable Roy Jones. Who would have ever guessed that nearly a decade later, he'd be the guy training the PERFECT fighter to do it. And how did they know? because a lanky southpaw named Frankie Liles dropped Jones in the amateurs. And then Lou Del Valle did it as a pro.

No one is unbeatable.

The thing is though Corely got schooled in the end and so did Judah, if those fights were as tough for Floyd as Manny's were against Jmm i could understand that but in the end the decisions were never in doubt, Floyd adapted and broke them down easily in the end, and i don't even think he had a problem with Corely anyway, i mean ANY FIGHTER can get caught, that's the way the game is, and that punch was probably the only thing Corely landed in the whole fight, he had Cotto in a much worser state with the same kind of punch so it's not like Floyd was the only one.

[LA BAD BOY]

Freddy Roach said that Manny will knock him out and
that will probably be.
Roach is 2-0 in last two predictions!

[IMDAZED]

The thing is though Corely got schooled in the end and so did Judah, if those fights were as tough for Floyd as Manny's were against Jmm i could understand that but in the end the decisions were never in doubt, Floyd adapted and broke them down easily in the end, and i don't even think he had a problem with Corely anyway, i mean ANY FIGHTER can get caught, that's the way the game is, and that punch was probably the only thing Corely landed in the whole fight, he had Cotto in a much worser state with the same kind of punch so it's not like Floyd was the only one.

Silky...actually Corley landed several good shots early on, including a beautiful straight left right on the button that drove Floyd a few steps back. And while Floyd did go on to win those fights convincingly, it's those flaws that a trainer will look to capitalize on. Especially if you see a pattern (Mitchell getting through, Corley getting through, Zab even scoring a KD).

[QUISQUEYA]

Cut the ring coz Floyd will just potshot and run. Judges prolly wont score those now if aint done in a dominating fashion.

Ace,

Can you give me an example of when Floyd "ran" against a guy his size?

Thanks.

[Silky-Flow]

Vice versa though..If JMM can connect with big shots on Manny so will floyd
There's a counter for every Argument

I'm not sure Manny can handle body shots either as he's been ko'd twice by them, and the one thing Floyd has targeted quite a lot against Southpaws is the body.

[The Gully Gad]

Freddy Roach said that Manny will knock him out and
that will probably be.
Roach is 2-0 in last two predictions!

He needs to give teddy atlas some advice then

[S A M U R A I]

I'm not sure Manny can handle body shots either as he's been ko'd twice by them.

That's not true.



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[QUISQUEYA]

I'm not sure Manny can handle body shots either as he's been ko'd twice by them, and the one thing Floyd has targeted quite a lot against Southpaws is the body.

Those bodyshot KO's were so long ago. I think manny is a different fighter. Just like the whole "pressure Floyd" tactic won't work. Floyd is a better fighter.

If Freddie Roach says that you can't teach old dogs new tricks, how would he turn manny into a pressure fighter? And wouldn't "pressure" take away - not enhance - from Manny's strengths?

[steptwome]

No one is unbeatable--of course Roach can come up with the right plan. Whether Manny can execute it is another story. I remember a few months before Floyd Mayweather moved to 140, I was talking to a former matchmaker who's knowledge of the sport may be unparallelled today (no BS). We were discussing a possible Judah-Mayweather bout down the line and he mentioned that Floyd would have trouble early because 1. all fighters tend to against southpaws and 2. Floyd especially had trouble with them. When I asked him why he said that, he pointed to a fight very early in his career (pro or amateur, I'm not sure) where he said Floyd was hurt pretty seriously by a lefty.

I kinda forgot about that until DeMarcus Corley rocked Floyd with the right hook and sc****d him with straight lefts even before that. Then I watched Sharmba Mitchell enjoy small success early against Floyd...then Zab (even knocking Floyd down). Now I can't help but think about what that matchmaker said.

I don't know if Pacquiao's disciplined enough but I'm sure Roach knows what's up. Let's not forget that when he was fighting as a welter, Buddy McGirt used to claim that he had the blueprint to beat the supposedly unbeatable Roy Jones. Who would have ever guessed that nearly a decade later, he'd be the guy training the PERFECT fighter to do it. And how did they know? because a lanky southpaw named Frankie Liles dropped Jones in the amateurs. And then Lou Del Valle did it as a pro.

No one is unbeatable.

.....good analysis