Manny Pacquiao is not top 10-30 all time...

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No, I meant Castillejo.

Floyd never fought any1 named Castillejo...???

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Floyd never fought any1 named Castillejo...???

Who said I was referring specifically to Floyd? Go back and read my post. I was pointing how some belt-holders and no-names can randomly get chances while others can't because they're either not proven enough nor a big enough name.

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How many then? Because so far I've heard none from you. Who's better than Barrera, Cooney?

No, Holmes resume as a whole is better than Pac's.

[The Hammer]

Manny Pacquiao is MUCH higher on my ATG list than Floyd Mayweather.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Who said I was referring specifically to Floyd? Go back and read my post. I was pointing how some belt-holders and no-names can randomly get chances while others can't because they're either not proven enough nor a big enough name.

What you said was understood by adults.


Children need explanations for things that can be so simple.


Any adult boxing fan knows exactly what you were referencing.

I guarantee he doesn't even know why you mentioned Castillejo.

[Sorbetero]

ali is the greatest trash talker ever lived

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No, Holmes resume as a whole is better than Pac's.

How so, if Manny were to beat Floyd? Sticking to the subject here.

You just listed some names and conceded each one as I pointed them out. What wins does Holmes have? Berbick? Come on, man--that ain't better than Hatton, let alone a prime Barrera. Go on, state your case! Maybe one of those guys you listed is better than Marquez but no one else. And Marquez ain't even Manny's biggest win.

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What you said was understood by adults.


Children need explanations for things that can be so simple.


Any adult boxing fan knows exactly what you were referencing.

I guarantee he doesn't even know why you mentioned Castillejo.

Blame boxing. Bottom line is Margarito hadn't earned a shot. Neither one of you told me how he earned one. Baldomir had done more...

[Heru]

The man is a great fighter and has the opportunity to be the greatest of his decade but that doesn't place him that high on the all time list. For samples I looked at ESPN's list.

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Joe Louis
5. Willie Pep
6. Roberto Duran
7. Benny Leonard
8. Jack Johnson
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Sam Langford
11. Joe Gans
12. Sugar Ray Leonard
13. Harry Greb
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Jimmy Wilde
16. Gene Tunney
17. Mickey Walker
19. Stanley Ketchel
20. George Foreman
21. Tony Canzoneri
22. Barney Ross
23. Jimmy McLarnin
24. Julio Cesar Chavez
25. Marcel Cerdan
26. Joe Frazier
27. Ezzard Charles
18. Archie Moore
28. Jake LaMotta
29. Sandy Saddler
30. Terry McGovern

I know some don't like this list but who on here that is notable to you outside of maybe Chavez(and he even has a billion wins) would you put Pacquiao ahead of?

And please, this thread has nothing to do with Mayweather cuz he aint in the top 30 either.

Dempsey, Lamotta, and Marciano are great fighters, but they're overrated. I want to say Leonard and Frazier are too, but if they are it's only a 1 or 2 spot drop.

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How so, if Manny were to beat Floyd? Sticking to the subject here.

You just listed some names and conceded each one as I pointed them out. What wins does Holmes have? Berbick? Come on, man--that ain't better than Hatton, let alone a prime Barrera. Go on, state your case! Maybe one of those guys you listed is better than Marquez but no one else. And Marquez ain't even Manny's biggest win.

Leon and Michael are better than Marquez. Norton I'd put ahead of Hatton. Shavers is another good win.