Had Floyd Turned Pro At 16 He Would Have Been A 12 Weight Champ

[Kevin Jesus]

It's funny how none of the posters of the Mayweather Mafia are talking **** about any fighter or poster but every other poster is making Mayweather hate threads and ****ting on Mayweather fans. When we defend Floyd, it's right away "oh why make this thread come on man this sucks" when it's hating on Floyd "Yeah woot woot let's party babyyyy yeaaaaahh Lollolololo!!!!!!!!111 I hope floyd dies too man"

[RightCross94]

Keep in mind these are 4 rd fights with headgear. They are by design...to help a fighter build fundamental skill in a safe environment with little health risks.

In Pacquiao's only 2 losses in that age range...1 was a low blow/headbutt combo that was never called. and the other in a 12round WORLD FREAKIN TITLE fight. Also pretty excellent wouldnt you say??

And some of these assclowns say those 2 Losses are reason Pacquiao would never be as great as Mayweather???

Mayweather lost to Fernando Montiel in the amateurs. What does that prove?? Absolutely nothing....only that Pacquiao had a world title before Mayweather had a pro fight.

first of all amateurs train just as hard as pros and are nearly as tough, its still fighting in there, just not as gruelling or dangerous. the amateurs is not solely for guys to build fundamental skills, you have absolutely no idea what you are on about

and in addition no im not one of those idiots who thinks floyd is better than manny because of mannys two early losses, manny was still virtually a boy, especially in the first loss before he got the world title

[One - Shot]

Who cares, Floyd will put Pac in the morgue. Cotto would too.

Starting at 16 will turn floyd into a beautician...

[El Jesus]

first of all amateurs train just as hard as pros and are nearly as tough, its still fighting in there, just not as gruelling or dangerous. the amateurs is not solely for guys to build fundamental skills, you have absolutely no idea what you are on about

and in addition no im not one of those idiots who thinks floyd is better than manny because of mannys two early losses, manny was still virtually a boy, especially in the first loss before he got the world title

the lack of respect for the amatuer system is why todays fighters are far less polished than that of yesteryear. Pac is a one in a million. I mean honestly, who has a shot to replace a fundamentally complete fighter like mayweather? guys like calderon, donaire, hopkins, toney, lineares, juanma dont come around that often. more and more as the sport has seemingly lost the casual fan, gearing more towards big punchers and little else, i think thats why we see a talent drought in so many divisions.

[Mr. Ryan]

....what? this doesnt make any sense at all. You act like pacman is bo jackson out there, knocking people out while hitting homeruns. Pac is fast, mayweather is fast, pac has had an incredible career, so has mayweather. Pacs style is more offensive, mayweathers is defensive. Mayweather stays in shape at all times, so does pac, how in the **** does that conclude that mayweather is an inferior athlete?

The phrasing may have been misleading but I was alluding to the fact that Pacquiao had the advantage of one punch power that made up for his mistakes. Mayweather doesn't have the one punch power that would have compensated for the increased amount of mistakes he would have made without his complete amateur schooling.

Mayweather would have had less money behind him as a limited box office draw with no major international amateur experience. A fighter with a safety-first style, no rabid fan following and no big amateur experience would not have been a sound enough investment to sustain the sort of accelerated career pace that would have enabled him to win titles in 12 divisions.

Look at a guy like Spinks, who had a good amateur background but was not exciting and wasn't an Olympian. He had a hard time getting meaningful fights until he sold his soul to Don King, after losing a controversial decision to Piccirillo, then was offered up as fodder to Mayorga, only to upset him.

So were to sit there and predict the career of a guy like mayweather, who was seen as a child prodigy in the amatuers, and speculate something that legally hed have no chance to do in the first place? If we could turn pro here at 16 it would change the dynamic of american boxing altogether. You cant sit here and speculate something like that. You are going to tell me that a guy who displayed the same calm maturity in the ring at 14/15/16 and 17, would have quickly fallen out of the sport? Come on man.


Look i dont care to participate in the childish rantings and comparisons with extreme fans on either side, but one thing that annoys me, and it used to happen more with mexican fans, is this speculation on what a fighters pro career would look like if he would have turned pro at 16. The legalities, multiplied by the standard of living and the general concern for the welfare of our athletes creates a different mentality than someone coming from a 3rd world country where the rules are lax. If pac came up in an amatuer system and mayweather didnt, what would it matter? And since all of you want to account so much for pac coming from those lower weights and giving credence to his accomplishments there, then its also time to start factoring the knockouts as well, dont think thats fair? Then stop making these speculations that mayweather, one of the last pure boxers in the sport with practically nobody ready to take his place, would somehow not be **** if he didint turn pro at 16.


What if Ray Leonard turned pro to take care of his dad? What if whitaker turned pro? How about tyson at 16? What about Foreman? There are some guys who are natural comers to the sport and mayweather is one of them. I think you are really wrong on this issue and frankly its almost as if you, a journalist, take NO account of how great mayweather was as a youngster. Yall can call me whatever names you want or whatever, but the young mayweather, along with vargas and judah were seen as the second coming of american boxers, with vargas the only speculation was that he would get into legal trouble before his career would get off the ground.

I do see that pure speculation about something that isn't legal is a waste of time. Then again, I also see that fighters with limited amateur experience that lack the big punch usually don't last in this sport.

I do understand how good an amateur Mayweather was, but then again I understand how the dynamics of moving young fighters works.

Fighters with limited amateur experience that turn pro usually do pick up a few early losses, as we see with guys like Margarito and Humberto Soto. Pacquiao is no exception at all.

[Mr. Ryan]

first of all amateurs train just as hard as pros and are nearly as tough, its still fighting in there, just not as gruelling or dangerous. the amateurs is not solely for guys to build fundamental skills, you have absolutely no idea what you are on about

and in addition no im not one of those idiots who thinks floyd is better than manny because of mannys two early losses, manny was still virtually a boy, especially in the first loss before he got the world title

Every young pro that I interview and ask about the major transition from the amateurs to the pros tell me that the biggest difference is the way fights are scored. In the amateurs, whoever can throw the most punches wins. Even if a guy is landing clean, hard shots, if the other guy lands two jabs and takes one hard right hand in return, the two jabs means one more point than the right hand.

[shadeyfizzle]

first of all amateurs train just as hard as pros and are nearly as tough, its still fighting in there, just not as gruelling or dangerous. the amateurs is not solely for guys to build fundamental skills, you have absolutely no idea what you are on about

and in addition no im not one of those idiots who thinks floyd is better than manny because of mannys two early losses, manny was still virtually a boy, especially in the first loss before he got the world title

First of all...i fully comprehend that amateurs train just as hard as pros and nearly as tough. The world has been denied many great fighters due to communist countries denying them pro careers but also had excellent amateur careers. But understand that there was a time when amateur ranks were a mirror image of the pro circuit. The amateur program that Mayweather participated in was not that same amateur program the likes of Leonard, and Ali participated in.

Yes he showed flashes of the same greatness he's known for today as an amateur....but had the amateur program been the amateur program of old...would you not say it would be possible for Floyd to get knocked out or owned completely somewhere along the line...and We would be raving about that fighter today while Mayweather fell into obscurity?

[El Jesus]

The phrasing may have been misleading but I was alluding to the fact that Pacquiao had the advantage of one punch power that made up for his mistakes. Mayweather doesn't have the one punch power that would have compensated for the increased amount of mistakes he would have made without his complete amateur schooling.

Mayweather would have had less money behind him as a limited box office draw with no major international amateur experience. A fighter with a safety-first style, no rabid fan following and no big amateur experience would not have been a sound enough investment to sustain the sort of accelerated career pace that would have enabled him to win titles in 12 divisions.

Look at a guy like Spinks, who had a good amateur background but was not exciting and wasn't an Olympian. He had a hard time getting meaningful fights until he sold his soul to Don King, after losing a controversial decision to Piccirillo, then was offered up as fodder to Mayorga, only to upset him.



I do see that pure speculation about something that isn't legal is a waste of time. Then again, I also see that fighters with limited amateur experience that lack the big punch usually don't last in this sport.

I do understand how good an amateur Mayweather was, but then again I understand how the dynamics of moving young fighters works.

Fighters with limited amateur experience that turn pro usually do pick up a few early losses, as we see with guys like Margarito and Humberto Soto. Pacquiao is no exception at all.

you know what, i deleted that rant because its ****** of me to even put that much into an argument that in reality, i dont care much about. i asked myself after i wrote that "why did i take all that time to write that".

[Mr. Ryan]

you know what, i deleted that rant because its ****** of me to even put that much into an argument that in reality, i dont care much about. i asked myself after i wrote that "why did i take all that time to write that".

You spent so much time and discarded your efforts, at least have something to show for the time lol.

[El Jesus]

You spent so much time and discarded your efforts, at least have something to show for the time lol.

its mostly because its not something i care that much about, in the post i acted like i did, but i really didint when i read it all again, plus i was takin shots at you that i didint even really mean to do.