For everyone that says Floyd can't make 140

[!! Shawn]

I think Floyd can definatly make 140 and even lower but he's worried that it will hurt him in the furture when he does fight the WW's. This proves my point about how peope shouldnt call Floyd a ***** for not fighting Cotto. Dude is 146 against Zab and the other WW's are 162-170 but he's a punk if he doesnt fight them? He has to fight them to be great? He's so much bigger then JMM? Come on now. He was 146 against Zab & Baldy. He looked like a flat board in the ring. He's 147 against them and Pac is 147 when he was fighting at 130 but yet they try to play Floyd like he's this super big monster picking on the little guys. I mean everyone now says that Zab doesnt belong anywhere near WW but yet Floyd should fight all the biggest guys and then some?

You are the guy that claimed that Floyd vs Marquez should be at 144 because Floyd can't make 140.

[Spiegelo]

Go on, find me a screenshot of the tale of the tape for that fight.

Why am I doing your work for you when you made this thread? I wasn't attempting to prove you wrong, I'm saying you're using whack points with holes in the logic. Floyd was small 5 years ago, great... but he fought 4 times at welter and once above, at least show the last time he fought. And it still proves nothing, he hasn't fought in 2 years and it might not be a simple task getting below 147, that's 7 lbs. Hopkins says he can't get to 168, and he's been fighting 170-175 lately. As I said earlier, you grow into the weight.

[Left Hook Tua]

he can make 140.

he just doesn't want to.

why bother going down 1 division to meet up a guy coming up 1 division when you can have the guy come up 2 divisions?

floyd need to stay his sorry ass retired.

[Spiegelo]

For the record, I'm not defending Floyd's choice to take out Marquez. I feel like it's picking on a smaller man, and I've defended him in the past for not taking on all the welters for the size issue, but now in forcing a smaller man up to that weight he's making it hard to defend him. I didn't even mind making Hatton go up, as Floyd was already coming down and Hatton turned him down at 140.

[DLT]

You are the guy that claimed that Floyd vs Marquez should be at 144 because Floyd can't make 140.

I never said that dude. I think his natural weight is 137.5 pounds and I wish he had never moved up. Thats how small I think he is. If he wouldve stayed down then he wouldve totally dominated and everyone would be judging him different. I think he can easily come down to atleast 140 right now but I seriously beleive that he's scared to. Everyone is just thinking about the JMM or the Pac fight and if it was just about that then he would do it but I honestly beleive that he atleast wants to fight Mosley at WW and maybe even Cotto. If he comes down to 140 then that would seriously hurt him when he comes back up because he'll have to start from ground zero again with his size. It took him forever to just gain 2 pounds to come in at 148. I think if he fights Mosley now or after a tuneup at WW then he wins but if he went down to 140 then I think he may lose if he tried to come back and fight a Cotto or Mosley because I think he may come in the ring at 147 and it would be a shock to his system after fighting the smaller guys. Thats why I really beleive he's scared.

If it was up to me he would go down and stay down. The only WW I really want to see him fight is Mosley. Other then that Id rather him fight guys like Pac, JMM, Ortiz, Bradley, Valero, and so on. I bet no one would be ripping how he fights then. He would be a beast against guys his own size and would never pot shot or be boring. Everyone would be calling him one of the best Offensive guys of all time if he was at his normal weight. BTW, I added more to my last post so go back and finish reading that also. I think Floyd may would fight the big WW's if people would give him extra credit for it but they wont. They basically say that he has to fight them or he's a punk like it doesnt matter that they have 15-22 pounds on him in the ring. There is a reason why he only pot shots and there is a reason why every WW is dying to fight him. Then think he's too small to be at that weight. Most of them have said it and no one even cares when they say it

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I think Floyd can definatly make 140 and even lower but he's worried that it will hurt him in the furture when he does fight the WW's. This proves my point about how peope shouldnt call Floyd a ***** for not fighting Cotto. Dude is 146 against Zab and the other WW's are 162-170 but he's a punk if he doesnt fight them? He has to fight them to be great? He's so much bigger then JMM? Come on now. He was 146 against Zab & Baldy. He looked like a flat board in the ring. He's 147 against them and Pac is 147 when he was fighting at 130 but yet they try to play Floyd like he's this super big monster picking on the little guys. I mean everyone now says that Zab doesnt belong anywhere near WW but yet Floyd should fight all the biggest guys and then some? Those weights are 2 years apart and he's still the same thing. Youre going to tell me that he's a real WW or that he had to go to WW? He didnt. He didnt even have to go to 140. He's super small. You can even see that in the At&t commercial. I still say that he's not only the best P4P but he's the smallest guy in boxing P4P

Get off his nuts, if he don't want to be classed as a WW, he shouldn't fight at the WW weight. The best boxer in the world refuses to fight anybody in his weight class and he should be allowed to get away with it? What a ****ing joke.

[!! Shawn]

Why am I doing your work for you when you made this thread? I wasn't attempting to prove you wrong, I'm saying you're using whack points with holes in the logic. Floyd was small 5 years ago, great... but he fought 4 times at welter and once above, at least show the last time he fought. And it still proves nothing, he hasn't fought in 2 years and it might not be a simple task getting below 147, that's 7 lbs. Hopkins says he can't get to 168, and he's been fighting 170-175 lately. As I said earlier, you grow into the weight.

I chose 2 fights 2 years appart. Its been 2 years since then. Floyd is a small WW, he doesn't have any filling out to do. Hopkins was a big middleweight that starved himself down into the weight for years. There is a huge difference between a guy that starved himself to make weight, and a guy that has to lift weights to move up in weight.

[Benny Leonard]

he can make 140.

he just doesn't want to.

why bother going down 1 division to meet up a guy coming up 1 division when you can have the guy come up 2 divisions?

floyd need to stay his sorry ass retired.

How about fighters just stop draining weight.

[Left Hook Tua]

How about fighters just stop draining weight.

IT

WILL

NEVER

HAPPEN



even if you do a ringside weigh in people will still cut weight.

besides......i'm of the opinion that marquez is at a disadvantage if both come in without cutting weight. i want to see as fair a fight as possible. if floyd loses a little something cutting to 140 , it'll help give marquez a chance. small chance but every little bit helps.

[Spiegelo]

I chose 2 fights 2 years appart. Its been 2 years since then. Floyd is a small WW, he doesn't have any filling out to do. Hopkins was a big middleweight that starved himself down into the weight for years. There is a huge difference between a guy that starved himself to make weight, and a guy that has to lift weights to move up in weight.

You picked 2 back to back fights that weren't 2 years apart, his first 2 in the WW division. Again, I think the Floyd that fought Hatton could have moved down, Floyd who hasn't fought in 2 years though? I have no idea.