Carl Froch couldn't wash Joe Calzaghes Boxers

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That would be just the fight to make RJJ a prime contender again. He makes 168 and out speeds Froch all night and may not ko him but definitely shuts him out on the cards, easy.

That would be just the fight to make RJJ a prime contender again

Well the word "PRIME" and Roy Jones Jr dont mix to well these days but I think it would be a win win for Jones. A solid name (Froch) who's undefeated with a belt coming off a KO win over JT. Would be a better fight than Lacy IMO.

But then again with Froch beating JT he has a lot on his plate. Jones might not be an option in his eyes with Kessler, Pavlik etc.

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Good that you're not taking it personally, unlike some. But I disagree that it's creepy, lame and unnecessary.

How is it any more creepy than Haye's charm offensive on the Klitschkos? That one is seen as more righteous because the heavies is so lacking for thrills and spills at present, and you could argue Haye has less options than Carl, but there's really no difference in the intent or approach. There's a window of opportunity there to open. If it's a matter of Calzaghe being recently retired, how often do retirements last in boxing anyway? It's not like Joe's been dormant for years yet. Carl can still call him out.




He already has. He's been talking about Kessler, Pavlik and others for a while. But Calzaghe's the big one.

It's not about being a crybaby, it's not that emotional. He's just trying any and all tactics, any line, to provoke Joe into the ring with him. Because he wants a fight.

It i smore lame then haye because Wlad and Vitali are active fighters. joe announced his retirement and therefore is retired and out of boxing. It is more like Vitali calling out oild Lennox Lewis every chance he gets for a rematch. It gets old after a while. Like said before there are plenty of geese out there waiting to be plucked so if Froch thinks he is the baddest man at 168 then he can fight Kessler, Bute, rematch JT or take on a Green or Miranda. there are plenty of live chickens out there why cahse a dead duck? Especially when the dead duck if were live like the rest of the chickens would be head of the hens and surely kick your arse....Lefty

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It i smore lame then haye because Wlad and Vitali are active fighters. joe announced his retirement and therefore is retired and out of boxing. It is more like Vitali calling out oild Lennox Lewis every chance he gets for a rematch. It gets old after a while.

We'll just have to differ. I don't think it matters a whit.

Let's be clear, there was never a point that Joe should have fought him, even when Carl was his mandatory, but there's no reason Froch shouldn't call him out and continue to do so right now. Joe isn't long retired like Lennox is. Carl wants to provoke him back in. Because he wants a fight.


And Froch is chasing those geese. It's not like he's doing nothing just waiting around for Joe to come back and fight him. The opposite, in fact.


Pretty much everything in boxing gets old fast when you're immersed in the culture, except the fights. Everything else is a tedious merry-go-round. Haye's assault on heavyweight has been more tiresome than exciting to someone who reads this board everyday, unless they've got a pro-Haye or anti-Klitschko interest. If the fight lives up to billing, though, it blows all the months of tedium away.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

Atleast calzaghes not a boring ****, the only thing entertaining about froch is his heart and his ****ty defense. The guys workrate is laughable and puts people to sleep. Without taylor pascal to make the fights he was in, he would be nothing but a boring piece of crap with his ****ty work-rate. And I'm glad hopkins called froch the ***** out, so you can see how a real boxer fights. He will beat the **** out of froch worse then he did to Pavlik.

Well, so what? That's called a match-up. And that's why we watch boxing - for match-ups that produce. Don't act like Carl didn't bring qualities, as well as deficiencies, to make those fights what they were. Or at least, don't play one down and puff up the other.

Listen, the fighters we'd get a boner for every time, against anyone, just to see do their thing, because what they do is worth watching purely by itself and would make any fight watchable, to our subjective taste, are rarities.

Calzaghe was always a thrill to watch? Was he fuck. He could be frustrating and boring as hell sometimes. To my subjective taste, anyway. And I'm a fan.

Is he a better class of boxer than Carl Froch? Yeah. So what?



I've already seen Hopkins fight. And I was watching Joe before you even knew his name. So I know how real boxers fight.


I'm not even criticizing St. Calzaghe. Calm down and don't cry, tough guy.

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

Pretty much everything in boxing gets old fast when you're immersed in the culture, except the fights. Everything else is a tedious merry-go-round. Haye's assault on heavyweight has been more tiresome than exciting to someone who reads this board everyday, unless they've got a pro-Haye or anti-Klitschko interest. If the fight lives up to billing, though, it blows all the months of tedium away.

Understood sir and agreed....I still think Froch can't fight worth a sh@t but I give the credit for at least trying to make interesting fights. I just don't see him beating any of the elite fighters at 168 then again I didn't see him beating Taylor either.....Lefty

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

Understood sir and agreed....I still think Froch can't fight worth a sh@t but I give the credit for at least trying to make interesting fights. I just don't see him beating any of the elite fighters at 168 then again I didn't see him beating Taylor either.....Lefty

No problem. I agree pretty much, I just always thought Carl would play a part in some exciting match-ups when he got the chance to step it up, and I've got room for guys like him in my appreciation of the sport. I'm glad the dog had his day - he's deeply flawed, but I still find merit to what he brings, and he really deserved it. But I realize he's not long for that title. He fights on the edge. And when you push your luck as hard as Carl does, it's going to run out.

[PittyPat]

Calzaghe was always a thrill to watch? Was he fuck. He could be frustrating and boring as hell sometimes. To my subjective taste, anyway. And I'm a fan.

Fer sure. He was horrendously bad during the Bika and Hopkins fights. But besides those 2, I usually found solace in watching him do his stuff - it had a quirky, funny quality about it which worked aesthetically. Froch just doesn't do it for me in the same way. He, too, has a quirky and funny style... except that it genuinely makes me laff because of how terrible it looks. The same for Valero and Arreola. Yeah they can '****', but bloody 'ell it looks like **** when they're just winging and telegraphing their punches at random from kilometres away, with zero footwork to boot.

I mean it's all good and well being entertained by an awkward style, but when it's downright laughably bad in terms of boxing skill, one surely begins to question where the 'talent' really lies in said fighter. I guess in Froch's case it'd be his resiliance and chin, but even those qualities were tested hardcore in that Taylor fight - with the latter now being an interesting attribute to observe for the future, since that right hand didn't even look so bad. At least now he can't say he's never been down. He'd better watch out when a real solid, naturally 168 punch happens to connect.

With all that said, it is indeed subjective. I like Hatton's style (despite him fighting like **** and hugging at times), but can't stand Abraham for example (who's technically sound as a boxer, but so incredibly boring). Diff'rent strokes and all that. :thumb1:

Objectivity beats nuthugging, though. All too many 'fans' lack that around here. Sigh.

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But besides those 2, I usually found solace in watching him do his stuff - it had a quirky, funny quality about it which worked aesthetically.

Yeah, I like this. We're on a page. And I got that, too, from Joe. Other times, he wound me up. And that might have had as much to do with my mood at any given time as well. But I kept watching, for whatever reason, because there was something there which compelled me to keep coming back.


Boxing's so weird. It's so much more like theatre to me than sport, that I can't help viewing fighters' styles as characters. So appreciation of a style can be much more than technical. If that makes any sense. But I like my technicians, too.

Football, for instance, has a sense of theatre to it in a way. But I still view the game as technical, as sport. Boxing is...other. It's sport, but so much more besides. It really is every element of life in microcosm.

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I'd wash his boxers with my tongue.

[PittyPat]

Boxing's so weird. It's so much more like theatre to me than sport, that I can't help viewing fighters' styles as characters. So appreciation of a style can be much more than technical. If that makes any sense. But I like my technicians, too.

Ah, see, I view the characters part in the sense of build-up instead - since I've always been a wrestling fan, I can almost look at the pre-fight theatrics and hypetalk with the mindset of 'heel' and 'face', as in wrestling. There's always got to be either a cool bad guy (or a lame good guy) that everyone wants to lose, and vice versa... although often I bet they'd buy each other a pint after the fight is over.

It all makes for good ratings and PPV buys in the end. That's why I think Haye-Wlad is doing so well in terms of build-up, because there seems to be a genuine animosity between these 2 top-tier fighters who've done it all in their respective divisions, as well as on the part of their fans (as is evident on here, but that's kinda said with a pinch of salt, since 'fans' of neither fighter seem to be capable of objective reasoning when it comes to the match-up itself).

Froch's trashtalk of the Zagster, meanwhile, I see as having more of a negative effect overall because it's doing him no good by appearing to be a lovelorn crybaby like Vitali, whilst Calzaghe can happily sit at home laughing on his bed of money (with that odd-looking girl of his beside him). The sooner he drops it, the better, because if Calzaghe really does stay retired - which he should - it'll make him look even sillier as his championship reign carries on.