Mayweather SR. ''He punches like an amateur.''

[Pacmanjay]

he was refering to how sometimes Manny doesnt turn his knuckles out when he punches. if you watch Manny shadow box u can see what he's talking about.

No, you have no proof what Sr. was referring to. That's your opinion. And a opinion in which you clearly state that you know more about boxing than Manny Pacquiao, which is quite laughable.

Shadow boxing is different from real punching. Many elite fighters shadow box very differently from how they really punch in a fight. Many fighters don't even extend their punches fully when shadow boxing, etc. You can't judge a fighters punch from the way they shadow box.

I can assure you from watching many many clips of Manny hitting the pads and heavy bag vs shadow boxing, he knows how to throw a punch.

[Benny Leonard]

btw if all boxers fought as defensively as Floyd there would be a WHOLE LOT more undefeated fighters and P4P contenders at the price of boxing matches being very boring.

Boring at 147; not so boring below it.

Pac is more exciting though. I loved Gatti as well.

Most of the fighters I like to watch are more towards Pac. Tyson was the best of the lot that I liked for the attacking style since he was technically sound up to the Spinks fight. Not so good afterwards. Devolution of a fighter and importance of a proper trainer that suits you to get you mentally and physically fit to fight.
Tyson; as far as actually watching a fight live.


How many fighters could actually fight like Floyd?

You still need the training and dedication and born-in ability...

[Pacmanjay]

In Pacquiao's case it's not because he's tryin to knock people out...it's because he's unorthodoxed. Roy jones jr fought in a very similar way as Pacquiao. If you compared film of Pacquiao and rjj then by mayweather's logic rjj punches like an amateur too...but the man won a freakin olympic gold medal.

My point was that any fighter who tries to finish opponents instead of trying to rack up points like PBF will at least lunge once in awhile. No fighter who is trying to power punch is going to stay in perfect stance each and every second of the fight for each any every punch. Hell, I've seen pictures of PBF where his form was all ***ed up.

[Pacmanjay]

Boring at 147; not so boring below it.

Pac is more exciting though. I loved Gatti as well.

Most of the fighters I like to watch are more towards Pac. Tyson was the best of the lot that I liked for the attacking style since he was technically sound up to the Spinks fight. Not so good afterwards. Devolution of a fighter and importance of a proper trainer that suits you to get you mentally and physically fit to fight.
Tyson; as far as actually watching a fight live.

Actually his technique wasn't any different up until the Spinks fight. How the heck are you going to judge Tyson's technique from a fight that lasted less than two minutes?

Tyson's skill diminished starting right after that fight because that's when he fired Rooney. I saw every single fight up to a few fights after the Spinks fight and the deterioration in his skill is definitely noticable in the fight right after Spinks (1st Bruno fight). Much less head movement, bad footwork, bad stamina, etc.

[Pacmanjay]

Certain style match-ups would be bad though. If this was a Prime Kostya Tszyu instead of Hatton, I think Tszyu would knock Pac out.

lol, I completely disagree with you there buddy. Tszyu was one of the stiffest lower weight class fighters ever with almost zero head movement even when he gets hit. He would get hit by Manny so much, its not even funny. Tszyu is the type of fighter that Pac would have target practice, and although Tszyu has his great chin, it wouldn't stand to Manny's repeated power punches.

[Benny Leonard]

Actually his technique wasn't any different up until the Spinks fight. How the heck are you going to judge Tyson's technique from a fight that lasted less than two minutes?

Tyson's skill diminished starting right after that fight because that's when he fired Rooney. I saw every single fight up to a few fights after the Spinks fight and the deterioration in his skill is definitely noticable in the fight right after Spinks (1st Bruno fight). Much less head movement, bad footwork, bad stamina, etc.

That's what I meant...

[Pacmanjay]

And?

that means Sr. doesn't know what he is talking about?

Foreman also won the HW title, twice, and wasn't Joe Louis in punching technique. It worked for him, but if someone was to say Foreman wasn't the best technique puncher, are you going to disagree given Louis is the comparison?

And it doesn't even mean that Sr. wasn't better than Pac in punching technique just because Pac won titles and he didn't.

Again, higher standards for Sr.

Compare Pac to Louis, SRR, Hearns, Floyd Jr, etc.

I have no idea what the *** your point is.

[Benny Leonard]

lol, I completely disagree with you there buddy. Tszyu was one of the stiffest lower weight class fighters ever with almost zero head movement even when he gets hit. He would get hit by Manny so much, its not even funny. Tszyu is the type of fighter that Pac would have target practice, and although Tszyu has his great chin, it wouldn't stand to Manny's repeated power punches.

He became stiff...and he also slowed and threw left as he aged...

Odd: Russian version of Tszyu was more agile and fast despite Russia being a cold climate. Australia, Hot, Tszyu stiffened and slowed. I guess you can’t put a Russian in Hot climate for to long or they stiffen and slow down over time.









Cool fight against a Southpaw

[Benny Leonard]

lol, I completely disagree with you there buddy. Tszyu was one of the stiffest lower weight class fighters ever with almost zero head movement even when he gets hit. He would get hit by Manny so much, its not even funny. Tszyu is the type of fighter that Pac would have target practice, and although Tszyu has his great chin, it wouldn't stand to Manny's repeated power punches.

Rest of the fight is on youtube...

Bramble just went into the shell

[Benny Leonard]

I have no idea what the *** your point is.

read what I was replying to, then read mine...

It's not complicated what I point out.