Did manny pacquiao duck joan guzman?

[QUISQUEYA]

Guzman has a belt at 135?

Like what I previously said, Manny has to turn himself into a prune just to make 130, he even gave up that belt. That's not to understand I'm sure...

Just answer for me. Please.

1) Do you think that Gooz would have fought Pac at 135 or 140 or whatever weight?

2) Are you giving value to cherry-picked belts?

[gopi11]

Exactly.

So, you are giving Pac credit for collecting a cherry-picked belt from a weight class, as opposed to fighting a BETTER opponent?

*jotting that down...

A cherry-picked belt? If the judges got the right winner between Santa Cruz and Casamayor, who is undisputedly the man at 135 at that time, would we having this conversation?

[nujabes77]

Is David Diaz a bigger draw than Joan Guzman?

the fight made around 350k, i dont hink guzman can exceed 150 as mentioned

[gopi11]

Just answer for me. Please.

1) Do you think that Gooz would have fought Pac at 135 or 140 or whatever weight?

2) Are you giving value to cherry-picked belts?

See my post above...

[QUISQUEYA]

A cherry-picked belt? If the judges got the right winner between Santa Cruz and Casamayor, who is undisputedly the man at 135 at that time, would we having this conversation?

Are you saying that David Diaz was a (or "the") top lightweight?

You seem to be contesting "cherry-picked".

[QUISQUEYA]

the fight made around 350k, i dont hink guzman can exceed 150 as mentioned

You don't know what you are talking about. SHHhhhhhh.

[gopi11]

Are you saying that David Diaz was a (or "the") top lightweight?

You seem to be contesting "cherry-picked".

What if by a strange accident the judges got the winner right (Santa Cruz) for a change, then David Diaz knocked Armando Santa Cruz out, what would David Diaz be to you?

[andrew14]

you know guzman cant make a weight in a lightweight division.

lack of professionalism. a champion of what? making money off pac!

he dont deserve a shot but he can fight jmm, morales or mab then.

he cant even fight nate. where is he now? fight a legit elite fighter before pac.

[QUISQUEYA]

What if by a strange accident the judges got the winner right (Santa Cruz) for a change, then David Diaz knocked Armando Santa Cruz out, what would David Diaz be to you?

We can eternally spin through hypotheticals..or we can deal with the realities.

If I dial through your supposition, then it devalues JMM's accomplishments at LW, and so forth and so on...

Your logic , while I understand the motivation, would mean that we didn't get Ali-Frazier 3.

[QUISQUEYA]

you know guzman cant make a weight in a lightweight division.

lack of professionalism. a champion of what? making money off pac!

he dont deserve a shot but he can fight jmm, morales or mab then.

he cant even fight nate. where is he now? fight a legit elite fighter before pac.

That's fine. Tell me what elite, legit fighter David Diaz fought before Pac.