Is Floyd effectively saying i dont want to fight a but...

[mathed]

FLOYD AINT FIGHTING NONE OF THESE TOP WW. its sad that people are agreeing to this jmm fight. the excusses are crazy as ****. foyd not a natural ww but he been there for 5 year & was the champ. this a p4p fight but its a tune up @ the same time.the list goes on. he priced himself out of a fight with shane but excepts marquez. im sure gbp didnt pay him that 20 milli to fiht jmm instead of shane.

I agree that the people saying that Mayweather is not a natural welter weight are right but he has been acclimated to that weight where JMM will not be.

Mayweather knows what he is doing and will retire again before being forced to ever face Cotto or Williams or anyone else who is a top WW.

[BennyST]

No; it's just his way of saying screw the bull**** boxing rules that allow a fighter to show up 10-20 pounds heavier by fight-time.

Like I've said many times before: Pac weighed in at 147 by fight-time against Diaz. When training for Oscar, he was 152 pounds with 6% body fat and was working his way down according to Freddie Roach. Pac already fought at WW and he did well, didn't he?
I'm not even sure Floyd has ever past 150 pounds, let alone 149 pounds for his WW fights by fight-time. Not sure what he will do now. If he does put on 10+ like the rest of the WW, yeah, that's messed up...but if he doesn't go over 149, nothing wrong with that considering that is what most JrWW weigh-in by fight-time. And Hatton says 154 for him against Pac is the expectation. Not sure with Pac: maybe 147+ as usual.

I still don't understand this thinking Benny. It's not right mate.

Mayweather is a little guy right and that's why he doesn't go much above 147 yeah? Marques is even smaller, quite a bit in fact therefore if he comes in at 140, which he has never fought at, he might go up a couple of pounds after the weigh in day. So, we'll say he goes up to 143 or so.

Well, the difference is that if they fought at 140, both of them that is, Mayweather would probably put on nearly ten pounds and go up to 150or pretty close.

If they fought at 147, after the lay off, Mayweather would come in at 147 and go up to 150 or well above easily. Marquez wouldn't even come in at 147 and wouldn't go above 147after the weigh in. So, Mayweather's weigh ins from years ago don't matter and his weigh ins at WW don't matter. He's fighting a guy who is really a natural FW or SFW still whereas Mayeather supposedly can't even make JWW anymore.

Do you see the absurdity of it? People were going nuts, absolutely crazy for the Oscar/Pac (yet it was the old, big guy fighting a young, prime guy moving up, whereas this is an old, small guy moving up to fight a big, prime guy in his perfect fight weight) fight and this is similar and yet people are defending it........

After all, if you say that he's just trying to pass by the BS weight stuff, well, he was a very big SFW who would have been coming in a hell of a lot bigger than some of his opponents so it's not really much of a point.

[supcuhz211]

I still don't understand this thinking Benny. It's not right mate.

Mayweather is a little guy right and that's why he doesn't go much above 147 yeah? Marques is even smaller, quite a bit in fact therefore if he comes in at 140, which he has never fought at, he might go up a couple of pounds after the weigh in day. So, we'll say he goes up to 143 or so.

Well, the difference is that if they fought at 140, both of them that is, Mayweather would probably put on nearly ten pounds and go up to 150or pretty close.

If they fought at 147, after the lay off, Mayweather would come in at 147 and go up to 150 or well above easily. Marquez wouldn't even come in at 147 and wouldn't go above 147after the weigh in. So, Mayweather's weigh ins from years ago don't matter and his weigh ins at WW don't matter. He's fighting a guy who is really a natural FW or SFW still whereas Mayeather supposedly can't even make JWW anymore.

Do you see the absurdity of it? People were going nuts, absolutely crazy for the Oscar/Pac (yet it was the old, big guy fighting a young, prime guy moving up, whereas this is an old, small guy moving up to fight a big, prime guy in his perfect fight weight) fight and this is similar and yet people are defending it........

marquez called out floyd so why the fuc will floyd move down and fight him? i could understand if floyd called marquez out but it is the other way around. just like money way called goldie out he didnt tell him move down and fight me he moved up to his weight.

all im syain is u got the balls to call a fighter out fight him in his weight or go look for some else to fight.

[Benny Leonard]

I still don't understand this thinking Benny. It's not right mate.

Mayweather is a little guy right and that's why he doesn't go much above 147 yeah? Marques is even smaller, quite a bit in fact therefore if he comes in at 140, which he has never fought at, he might go up a couple of pounds after the weigh in day. So, we'll say he goes up to 143 or so.

Well, the difference is that if they fought at 140, both of them that is, Mayweather would probably put on nearly ten pounds and go up to 150or pretty close.

If they fought at 147, after the lay off, Mayweather would come in at 147 and go up to 150 or well above easily. Marquez wouldn't even come in at 147 and wouldn't go above 147after the weigh in. So, Mayweather's weigh ins from years ago don't matter and his weigh ins at WW don't matter. He's fighting a guy who is really a natural FW or SFW still whereas Mayeather supposedly can't even make JWW anymore.

Do you see the absurdity of it? People were going nuts, absolutely crazy for the Oscar/Pac (yet it was the old, big guy fighting a young, prime guy moving up, whereas this is an old, small guy moving up to fight a big, prime guy in his perfect fight weight) fight and this is similar and yet people are defending it........

I wasn't in favor of him fighting JMM. I did say the reason why he is facing JMM is because he wants to out-do Pac for what Pac did to Oscar and it will help set-up a fight with Pac (if he gets by Hatton).

I was more in favor of him finding a fighter at JrWW that shows up at 149 for fight-time since it is a tune-up.

The other part with JMM is that he has moved up to JrWW and will now be facing fighters that are around the same size as Floyd by fight-time.

I wouldn't risk dropping down to 140 if I were Floyd because he hasn't fought there since 2005 and hasn't had to drain weight for a fight in a long time. He doesn't seem to like to drain weight like other fighters. He probably prefers to concentrate on the fight itself. Add in his age and inactivity, that could lead to disaster. Plus, what's the point if you do drop down to 140 then put on 9+ pounds anyway?
The only point would be to say the opponent is hoping you fail at properly rehydrating or diet to much during training camp because you are worried if you can make weight. Thus saying you hope you win the fight on the scales.

What I don't know is what Mayweather will come in at by fight-time by this point in his career. Before, it was said he was coming in at 149 tops for his WW fights (when active). Will that be the case now? I don't know.


Now let's take it with Floyd and the other WW: Clottey came in at 170 when he fought Chico at WW. Most of the rest come in at 157+ for their WW fights.
Oscar when he fought Floyd was suspected to have come in at 164+.

Personally, I'm hoping Floyd meets Cotto or Shane. Doubt he will face off against Williams.

And this goes with Cotto as well when he faces off against Clottey: How much weight difference will there be by fight-time?

Cotto can luck out and hope Clottey rehydrates poorly and shows up sluggish but if he is able to do it right, he will be a live 170 pound fighter if he shows up again at that weight like he did Chico. Not sure what Cotto weighs in at....I think it is towards 157.


I'm sure they can always put a cap on the fight-time weight if they want. I would be interested if Floyd would try that for his WW fights or at least bring it up.


We also don't know where Floyd is at both Mentally and Physically at this point in his career. To me, even when he fought Oscar and Hatton, he wasn't fighting the same way nor speaking the same way about fighting.
He always goes into a fight with his brittle hands. The Inactivity can't be good either.

[Smash]

There is one thing about all this discussion about floyds weight that bugs me. When this arguement about floyd not fighting the "true" welters crops up, it goes something like this, Floyd ducked guys like margo, cotto, mosley, williams, no he didnt the fights never happened, in fact cotto and mosley ducked floyd in the past so why should he fight them now, ive got quotes from mosley and cotto calling floyd out but he retired soon after, why, no he didnt they dont bring anything to the table for money mayweather, there not on his level, floyd beats them all, plus floyd is not really a welter anyways, hes smaller than those guys fight night.

What does all of this mean? It looks like floyd can comfortably come in from 147 to 152 fight night, but other welters will be 155+. IF floyds not a welter then what is he? a light welter or just a guy who fights at around 150 fight night. He not a light welter as he cant make 140 on the scales so hes either a welter (not a big welter) or something else. If he cant make 140 on the scales then he should be fighting guys who also cant make 140. Nobody is denying him his money fights but he should also be taking the "Welter" fights too imo

[Clint650]

stop making excuses for this man. ever since he's been the ww champ he's been taking safe fights. taking risks is not in his gameplan, but now he's been put on the spot. it explains why Floyd was trying to get a rematch with Hatton.

kick his ass Marquez!!!

[GunzNButter]

FLOYD AINT FIGHTING NONE OF THESE TOP WW. its sad that people are agreeing to this jmm fight. the excusses are crazy as ****. foyd not a natural ww but he been there for 5 year & was the champ. this a p4p fight but its a tune up @ the same time.the list goes on. he priced himself out of a fight with shane but excepts marquez. im sure gbp didnt pay him that 20 milli to fiht jmm instead of shane.

Yeah i'm kinda a Floyd Fan(No *****), but I'm more of a Shane Mosley fan. Floyd has been at Welter for over 5 years and the only real Welter he fought was a Journey Men named Baldomir(Floyd also ran from this guy all night and couldn't hurt him). Most of these *****s Nuthug so much it's ridiculous. Here's proof that Floyd is ducking Shane=AFTER FLOYD BEAT OSCAR, HE WAS ASKED "WILL YOU FIGHT SHANE MOSLEY"? HIS RESPONSE WAS, "SHANE MOSLEY IS A SPARRING PARTNER, I DON'T FIGHT SPARRING PARTNERS". Thats funny because He fought Baldomir in the ringAND THEN he hired Baldomir as his SPARRING PARTNER before the Hatton fight. He even hurt his elbow SPARRING with Baldomir. http://www.********boxing.com/forum/...ad.php?t=35689
Ths is proof that Floyd does fight Sparring Partners, just not the Shane Mosley kind. I swear if he fights and beats Shane Mosley CONVINCINGLY, i will have MAD respect for him.

[713832281]

couldnt said it better, he didnt go after hatton, his dumbass called out pbf, he didnt go after jmm, he called out pbf.

Floyd is simply saying that if you got the balls to call me out come up to my weight and fight me in my weight class. when money called de la hoya out did they fight at a catch weight? didnt think so.. he moved up to goldies weght class didnt he? i think thats what happend if i remember correctly.

floyd is not a natural ww either. he started his career below 140 and moved up just like pac and jmm

[TheSurgeonMDMPH]

Is Floyd effectively saying i dont want to fight at 147, but i will make out im campaigning there so i can drag these little guys up there where i have a big advantage physically.

Dont you think it will be a bit strange if Floyd ends up fighting Marquez and then possibly Pacquiao who are both NOT natural WW. Yet he is supposed campaigning at 147. In his recent fights he will gone after Hatton,Pacquiao and Marquez whist maintaing he is fighting at WW..........WTF?

Surely Mayweather must and some point fight a Cotto-Williams etc to.

When you are top dawg you call the shots! Period! And stop always bringing cotto up when u talk PBF, IMO huge gap in skills!! cotto aint even the best in the ww division!

[deevel79]

There is NOTHING that Floyd can do, and his little fanboyz wont defend him.

When it comes to fighting the top WW's, they argue about how he's not a natural WW, and therefore shouldnt have to fight them.

When it comes to fighting a LW/LWW, they NOW argue about how he's too big for 140, and these smaller fighters should have to come up and meet him at 147.

WTF?? LOL

Guys, which one is it?????