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  • talip bin osman
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    #31
    Originally posted by jching
    It's only been a problem against Mayweather at 147 in round 10. It wasn't a problem against Tszyu or Collazo, both of whom hit harder and are bigger than Manny. Also, Manny needs space and momentum to put power in his punches, and he won't get anywhere near as much time and space he has been used to in previous fights. And with Mayweather Snr teaching him better technique, his defence will be better as well.
    did u see how jmm in their 2nd fight & david diaz go down from that punch from MP?

    MP's feet were firmly planted on the ground when he delivered the punch that put these 2 down... he was almost standing straight! MP needed very little space...

    and oh yes boss... if u think that collazo landing power shots on hatton was not a problem, u better watch the vid again...

    and IMO, floyd aint adding anything new to RH...

    those skills (jabbing while coming in, head movement & defense) was already there with hatton long before the tszyu fight... i suggest u watch the tackie fight...

    and yes, i incidentally picked hatton to win over MP...not because of styles but bcoz i am afraid i have this feeling it will be like pryor & arguello all over again...

    the guy who was a natural 140 (pryor/hatton) will just be too much for the one going up in weight... (arguello/pacquiao)...

    i hope to be proven wrong by MP since im a fan of his... i will be rooting for him nonetheless...

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    • moin126
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      #32
      I think its quite obvious pac's gonna win, unless hatton really has a interesting gameplan.

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      • Ray*
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        #33
        Originally posted by jching
        That's exactly what Hatton does - he keeps coming forward no matter what. He is known for this. Against Mayweather he took some hard shots flush but just kept charging at him all night up till he got KO'd. Hatton respects no-ones power and will charge at Pacquiao for 3 minutes of every round, and that's why he will pose problems for Pac. Manny needs time and space to get in and out quickly, and he won't be able to do this against Hatton. He will have to dance circles around the ring and pot shot to keep Hatton off him, but he's no PBF and won't be comfortable doing this.

        And thats what gets you KO, If hatton had gone with someone like Mayweather snr 3 to 4 years ago he would have a better chance of prolonging his boxing career into his mid-30s but because of the face-first style under billy graham the damages has already been done.

        He has 2 years tops at the top level, People like Matt macklin left graham earlier because they saw the light before it was too late.

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        • STILL DETOX
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          #34
          u cant teach an old dog new tricks

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            #35
            Originally posted by talip bin osman
            did u see how jmm in their 2nd fight & david diaz go down from that punch from MP?

            MP's feet were firmly planted on the ground when he delivered the punch that put these 2 down... he was almost standing straight! MP needed very little space...

            and oh yes boss... if u think that collazo landing power shots on hatton was not a problem, u better watch the vid again...

            and IMO, floyd aint adding anything new to RH...

            those skills (jabbing while coming in, head movement & defense) was already there with hatton long before the tszyu fight... i suggest u watch the tackie fight...

            and yes, i incidentally picked hatton to win over MP...not because of styles but bcoz i am afraid i have this feeling it will be like pryor & arguello all over again...

            the guy who was a natural 140 (pryor/hatton) will just be too much for the one going up in weight... (arguello/pacquiao)...

            i hope to be proven wrong by MP since im a fan of his... i will be rooting for him nonetheless...
            Yea, but David Diaz just stood there in front of Manny all night letting him do all the work. JMM is a counter puncher and lets Pac do his thing in the hope of catching him on the counter. Hatton will be in Pac's face all night unlike any opponent Pac has faced before. That's why he won't be able to put as much power in his shots IMO.

            My point about Collazo was that Hatton was getting hurt, but kept coming forward and didn't get KO'd. Manny won't be as hard a hitter as Collazo IMO so why should Hatton respect his power when he didn't show any for Collazo's?

            I have seen all of Hatton's fights and yes, these improvements are really a return to the Hatton of old, but they are improvements nevertheless.

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            • trainhard_187
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              #36
              Not really, maybe in training but not as much during fight night. Trust me Hatton WILL RESORT TO HIS OLD WAYS COME MAY 2.

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              • Roger Mellie
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                #37
                Its a little early to say as this is only his second fight with floyd.We will see on the night,but I am sure he will have improved.Not maybe in the regard that he will have totally revamped his style,but more that Floyd will bring things out of him that were already there.Hatton is a much better boxer than he is given credit for,but under BG he relied too heavily on power and strength,rather than his boxing skills.Working with Floyd certainly wont do him any harm thats for sure.

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                • MANGLER
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                  #38
                  Surely Sr can teach him some **** Graham didn't, but it's a question of whether or not Hatton can actually use it.

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                  • mickey malone
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by talip bin osman
                    just my 2 cents...

                    maybe team hatton thought ricky wont be able to outbox such a fine boxer like PBF... so they took a page from jose luis castillo's gameplan against PBF in their first fight which was smart inside fighting & educated pressure... traits that castillo was absolutely very good at...

                    its just that jlc implemented his gameplan better than the hitman...
                    That's about right... Agreed..

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                    • Roger Mellie
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by mangler
                      Surely Sr can teach him some **** Graham didn't, but it's a question of whether or not Hatton can actually use it.
                      I would like to think so.His pad work is looking much better under floyd and it seems to actually have a purpose.I didnt like what ricky was doing with BG pad wise in their last few years together.It was purely about power whereas floyd is actually getting him to think about his head movement and his positioning after throwing his shots.Hatton used to do these things with BG when he was in the earlier phase of his career,but after Tszyu they seemed to adopt the bull in a china shop approach permanently.

                      Ricky did show more improvement than I was expecting in the Malignaggi fight TBH,all the more surprising as he hadnt been working with floyd very long at all.That said,Manny isnt Malignaggi,and ricky is going to get hit with more shots and harder ones too as I dont see Manny taking too many backward steps.

                      Its going to be a great fight whoever wins and the only potential spoiler as far as I can see is an early cut for either fighter.I just pray that doesnt happen.

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