Let It Be Known What The Real Problem Is!!!

[Benny Leonard]

i agree with this post....I just dont like how people think boxing has become so predictable lately.....I got news for some of you.....rational fans love boxing because of the UNpredictability of the sport.....one is going to pull the upset hatton or marquez....you watch.....I'm one of the few people on here that think pac-floyd would be boring as ****....sure it would clear up somethings, but as far as excitement to watch, it would be like watching paint dry.

Floyd's been a boring fighter for a bit now and I have my doubts he will come back rejuvenated like he was his at his best from 130-140. Expect pot-shot galore and lots of crying after each fight (if he wins).


I'm excited for the Pac vs. Hatton fight. And the winner of that fight could give us a great fight against Shane Mosley or Cotto unless Hatton goes back to his grappling ways (and that is if Hatton's wins against Pac). Pac will give us an exciting fight at least.

[Benny Leonard]

Wow, I think you're thinking about this too much and about Mayweather too much.

Anyway, do you remember when the great Oscar, who is supposedly aloud to do anything and all fighters must bow to his every whim, got asked to do a fight with Pac? You remember what happened? Pac said he's not going to fight at anything but 147. Oscar hadn't gotten down there in nearly a decade but because he was a little guy, and Marquez is even smaller, he said "Sure, I'll get down to 147 for you".

Now, Mayweather only has to drop to 140, which would be nothing for him. He's a 140 pound fighter, not a 147 pound fighter. That's all that he is asking. I don't see what all the fuss is about. Mayweather will probably be better at 140 and might even beat him easier. All you Mayweather fans, not that I don't like him but I'm just not obsessed by him, are really creepy.

This is an obvious thing and would happen anywhere. Hopkins came down to a catchweight for Pavlik. Oscar came down a division for Pac etc etc etc. Let it go and just try to underst6and that people don't want to see a complete mismatch because, like it or not, Marquez just does not belong, in any way shape or form, at 147. He's a very small framed guy, unlike fighters like Pac and Mayweather.

Oh yeah, and he's 36.

Benny, the thing with me is still fight-time weight. JrWW routinely come in around 149 by fight-time; that's the same weight Floyd has been coming in at while he was at WW. All Floyd is doing is skipping the fight on the scales because he doesn't want to take the chance of coming in "flat" if he can't replenish his system in time. I'm not even sure when the last time he had to practice the art of dehydrating the body and then gulping down gallons of pedialyte or sticking an I.V. in his arm to replenish his system.

JMM was moving up to JrWW anyway and he will be fighting fighters that will not be at 140 by fight-time; they are more likely to be 147+

Oscar also lost when he came back down in weight.

Mayweather hasn't fought at 140 since Gatti in 2005.

Hopkins bulked up and ate his way to LH for the Tarver fight. More than likely, once he stopped lifting and stopped eating every 3 hours, his body probably settled back down to a lower weight. He was more SMW than anything I would say.
In a way, with Floyd, he has been spoiled. He doesn't seem to have to diet down or drain weight for a fight. At the most, he takes a piss before he jumps on the scales then drinks a glass of water after. If he changes that up now, with dieting and trying to play the weigh-drain game, it might mess him up both mentally and physically. I think that was what Freddie Roach was talking about as well.

[Young Mike]

Benny, the thing with me is still fight-time weight. JrWW routinely come in around 149 by fight-time; that's the same weight Floyd has been coming in at while he was at WW. All Floyd is doing is skipping the fight on the scales because he doesn't want to take the chance of coming in "flat" if he can't replenish his system in time. I'm not even sure when the last time he had to practice the art of dehydrating the body and then gulping down gallons of pedialyte or sticking an I.V. in his arm to replenish his system.

JMM was moving up to JrWW anyway and he will be fighting fighters that will not be at 140 by fight-time; they are more likely to be 147+

Oscar also lost when he came back down in weight.

Mayweather hasn't fought at 140 since Gatti in 2005.

Hopkins bulked up and ate his way to LH for the Tarver fight. More than likely, once he stopped lifting and stopped eating every 3 hours, his body probably settled back down to a lower weight. He was more SMW than anything I would say.
In a way, with Floyd, he has been spoiled. He doesn't seem to have to diet down or drain weight for a fight. At the most, he takes a piss before he jumps on the scales then drinks a glass of water after. If he changes that up now, with dieting and trying to play the weigh-drain game, it might mess him up both mentally and physically. I think that was what Freddie Roach was talking about as well.

Many fighters have lost coming up one weight class. 7 pounds shouldn't be a problem. You cant compare that to De La Hoya who had to lose a whole lot of weight. Marguez has already moved up enough. again theres no point in being a welterweight and not fighting one.

[Benny Leonard]

Many fighters have lost coming up one weight class. 7 pounds shouldn't be a problem. You cant compare that to De La Hoya who had to lose a whole lot of weight. Marguez has already moved up enough. again theres no point in being a welterweight and not fighting one.

How about this: Floyd puts a "cap" on his bouts. All fighters must come in at the actual weight of 147 by fight-time. Who do you think is in that division now? Floyd only has to lose 2 pounds.
Looks like most of the JrWW division is moving to the WW division now.

That's all I'm saying.

[BennyST]

Benny, the thing with me is still fight-time weight. JrWW routinely come in around 149 by fight-time; that's the same weight Floyd has been coming in at while he was at WW.

Hey Benny mate,

The problem with that though is that now, after this lay off and being at 147 for a few years he will not come in at 148/9 or even 150. He will come it at 155 or so pretty easily. But, he could also make 140 and then it will be an even weight fight.

If this is just a tune up as everyone keeps saying for Mayweather then he should not be too worried about going back to his natural weight. He wouldn't have to dehydrate much at all to make it and it would be two guys near the same weight instead of one little guy vs a genuine WW who also has the height and big reach advantage.

I don't much care whether the fight happens. If it does though then it should be at a catchweight of 143 which Marquez said he will not go above. Just like Oscar's concession for Pac.

[Young Mike]

Floyd Mayweather shouldn't fight Marquez. period. He didn't announce his return untill he found a fight. He didn't want the welterweights and everyone to ask him which welterweight he should fight. He didn't want to hear this. All he wants to do is fight Manny Pacquiao and retired again, but he doesn't want to fight the guys in their natural weight.
Manny sin't a dangerous fighter that he feels threatened by, but Mosley and the rest of the welterweights are.

[Bobby Shaw]

You all hate it when I say it but you know that its true. All of you guys love Margarito, Cotto, Pac, & JMM to death. Cotto just recently loss and Margarito followed. Now you hate the thought of Floyd being the one to beat up on JMM & Pac. It makes all of you sick to your stomach. Deep down you are screaming "anyone but him".

Well guess what? It will be him and there is nothing that you can say that is going to stop it. You can come up with excuse after excuse. You know as well as I do that if its not one thing then it will be another. You hate Floyd with a passion and the thought of him being the one to beat JMM is killing you and your other heros will soon follow.

Now Im saying this thread in a half joking way but I fully 100% beleive it to be true. Its not just the fans but the media also. They dont want to see Floyd to be the one to beat there guys so they will try to downplay the fights, take all the credit away from Floyd, scream bloody murder, yada yada yada. It is what it is. You guys have to accept. This fight is going to happened. JMM is a great fighter and he wanted it. Thats what you fools are failing to understand. When Oscar set the rules, everyone had to follow or take a hike. Floyd fought Oscar on horrible terms. Pac didnt do the exact same but similar. Now its JMM's turn and the terms arent even that bad. Trust me, what hurts you the most is that Floyd will win in such a fashion that no one will be able to call it a weight thing. Thats whats eating you up. Size aside, Floyd will outclass him and you know that. I dont want to hear anything about weight if JMM fails to land any clean punches. That has nothing to do with weight.

JMM is going to lose and he's going to lose to Pretty Boy Floydddddd, aka Money Mayyyweatherrrr. He's going to get KO too incase you didnt know. It will hurt and you will cry but it will be ok. Pac will get a chance to avenge it and then you will cry about that. Meanwhile Floyd will be 41-0, again ranked #1, again being a future Hall Of Famer, again he will be the most famous boxer in the US. He will be the most talked about fighter in all the threads, and will sell the biggest PPV's. Deal with it. You can hate all you want but its not going to change any of those hard core facts

You should have been born twins,great thread

[Bobby Shaw]

Floyd Mayweather shouldn't fight Marquez. period. He didn't announce his return untill he found a fight. He didn't want the welterweights and everyone to ask him which welterweight he should fight. He didn't want to hear this. All he wants to do is fight Manny Pacquiao and retired again, but he doesn't want to fight the guys in their natural weight.
Manny sin't a dangerous fighter that he feels threatened by, but Mosley and the rest of the welterweights are.

What's Floyd's natural weight and what's Marquez's natural weight?

All those WW walk above 160 and Floyd walks at 146.Have you seen Floyd in person,he's such a little guy?

How come no one brought the weight issue when Floyd went to 154 to beat a WBC champion named Oscar DelaHoya

[mickey malone]

Mayweather's the man.. Pure undiluted Phoenominum.. No one else has aspired to his skill levels at as many different weights.. Unless Pac destroys Hatton, that's the way it stays..

[FreshPrince]

How come no one brought the weight issue when Floyd went to 154 to beat a WBC champion named Oscar DelaHoya

That's because he was fighting a big old guy, now he wants to fight a little old guy.