David hayes critisism of wlad valid? (video)

[KRITKL]

I hope Wlad gets KTFO by Haye. So I don't have to sit through another one of his boring ass fights. F@ck throw something besides a jab.

[Fulcrum29]

So? Being an undisputed champion is an accomplishment. Having half a championship is not as much of an accomplishment. YOU made the comparison, dont blame me for your own ****** arguments.

who cares they are both the ring champs (well haye WAS the rign champ at cruiser) but Wlad's resume is far deeper and much better so there's not even an argument there, that's absolute FACT.

[Klitschko2011]

So? Being an undisputed champion is an accomplishment. Having half a championship is not as much of an accomplishment. YOU made the comparison, dont blame me for your own ****** arguments.

Haye only has 1 good win on his weak resume (washed up Mormeck). The win over the glass chinned Maccarinelli is overrated. Macca suffered his 3rd KO loss a couple weeks ago to some feather fisted unknown African. The unknown African came into the fight with just 5 KO's on his record. He 1 punch KO'd Macca LOL

[DIB42]

Lets compare the resumes

Wlad's wins

Chris Byrd x 2
Samuel Peter
Lamon Brewster
Sultan Ibragimov
Ray Mercer
Calvin Brock
Tony Thompson
Hasim Rahman
Jameel McCline
Monte Barrett
Ray Austin
Axel Shultz
etc.......

Haye's wins

Jean Marc Mormeck
Macca the glass chinned bum
Old washed up Barrett

You're right, they both have **** resumes

[.Mik.]

Who is claiming that Wlad's resume is not stronger than Haye's?

You cant own someone for not disagreeing with you.

who cares they are both the ring champs (well haye WAS the rign champ at cruiser) but Wlad's resume is far deeper and much better so there's not even an argument there, that's absolute FACT.

Shame, cos that wasnt your argument. Your argument was that Wlad has accomplished more at Heavyweight than Haye has at Cruiserweight. On Haye's record and in the history books, they will have 'Undisputed Champion' on Wlad's record and in the history books it will be written 'Champion'.

[Fulcrum29]

Who is claiming that Wlad's resume is not stronger than Haye's?

You cant own someone for not disagreeing with you.



Shame, cos that wasnt your argument. Your argument was that Wlad has accomplished more at Heavyweight than Haye has at Cruiserweight. On Haye's record and in the history books, they will have 'Undisputed Champion' on Wlad's record and in the history books it will be written 'Champion'.

that's semantics, and child's word play my son. It doesn't matter what foolish words history will record. I was just discussing in another thread how history will record Pacman only as a 4 division champion because his victory over Barrera over 126 was not for a real title but the Ring title. But does that matter? Does anyone doubt the legimitacy of Pacquiao's win over Barrera?
Same thing here, history will always record Wlad's resume as the much stronger over Haye's pathetic resume of 2 known names - and that is where you sir are OWNED.

[Fulcrum29]

oh and as K2009 shrewdly pointed out, Haye's resume looks worse and worse with time because his biggest win is now looking like a laughing stock considering Macca was just KTFO by some unknown guy with no knockouts no his record.

[.Mik.]

that's semantics, and child's word play my son. It doesn't matter what foolish words history will record. I was just discussing in another thread how history will record Pacman only as a 4 division champion because his victory over Barrera over 126 was not for a real title but the Ring title. But does that matter? Does anyone doubt the legimitacy of Pacquiao's win over Barrera?
Same thing here, history will always record Wlad's resume as the much stronger over Haye's pathetic resume of 2 known names - and that is where you sir are OWNED.

Look at you trying to worm yourself out of the argument YOU created.

Let me make this simple for you with undeniable facts.

Wlad has the better resume than Haye.
Haye achieved a greater accomplishment at Cruiserweight than Wlad did at Heavyweight.
Haye has currently achieved no great accomplishments at Heavyweight.
Haye, at this point in his career, has a stronger resume than Wlad had at the same point in his (ie age and number of fights).
Wlad is the favourite for this fight and is more than likely going to knock Haye out.

You cant be 'owned' when you argue nothing but facts and common sense. Which is why you were unwise to start over-exaggerating by claiming that Wlad's accomplished more at Heavyweight than Haye has at Cruiserweight, supposedly because you got all flustered and couldnt keep your common sense filter in check and has led to this squirmy argument from you ever since.

[Fulcrum29]

Look at you trying to worm yourself out of the argument YOU created.

Let me make this simple for you with undeniable facts.

Wlad has the better resume than Haye.
Haye achieved a greater accomplishment at Cruiserweight than Wlad did at Heavyweight.
Haye has currently achieved no great accomplishments at Heavyweight.
Haye, at this point in his career, has a stronger resume than Wlad had at the same point in his (ie age and number of fights).
Wlad is the favourite for this fight and is more than likely going to knock Haye out.

You cant be 'owned' when you argue nothing but facts and common sense. Which is why you were unwise to start over-exaggerating by claiming that Wlad's accomplished more at Heavyweight than Haye has at Cruiserweight, supposedly because you got all flustered and couldnt keep your common sense filter in check and has led to this squirmy argument from you ever since.

ok you spoke a lot of truth and common sense in that post. I shall forgive you now my son.
I agree with all of your posts other than your recalcitrant insistence that Haye accomplished more at cruiser than Wlad at heavy. On paper maybe but no one in their right mind would agree that in reality (I.e. practice over theory get it?) these two names:

Jean Marc Mormeck
Maccarranelli

are better than the combined dominance over these names:

Chris Byrd x 2
Samuel Peter
Lamon Brewster
Sultan Ibragimov
Ray Mercer
Calvin Brock
Tony Thompson
Hasim Rahman
Jameel McCline
Monte Barrett
Ray Austin
Axel Shultz

sorry but that's just simple fact my friend. I don't care how many superfluous belts Haye grabbed by beating crappy competition, the fact of the matter is Wlad still accomplished more because to a true boxing fan, beating 10-15 decent names and straight title defenses is bigger and more important than grabbing a couple insignificant straps in arguably the weakest division in the sport and calling yourself undisputed. as you can see good sir I am not 'squirming' but have backed up my position with a very strong argument, one which you are unlikely to successfully negate.

[.Mik.]

Sadly, in this age of boxing, belts are accomplishments, they are the measurement by which a fighter is defined. Wins are simply a means to getting belts.

Hopefully that will one day be changed again and you may find yourself right, but not at this present moment.