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  • Kzbox
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    #41
    Originally posted by JakeTheBoxer

    Man, Fury fought 1 elite guy in his all career.

    And you compare him with Ali, who fought all the best men in two decades?

    I mean, cmon now. If anything, today`s heavyweights are overrated.

    Fury fought 1 elite guy in Klitschko. Whyte and Wilder would be bums in Ali`s era.
    I didn't say Fury has a better career or legacy just straight up head to head based on skill/dimensions Ali would lose no doubt about it. People have just put him on this magical pedestal nobody can compare to he was able to beat them guys because their skills were also primitive like Frazier i don't mean any disrespect these are legends and good fighters but as i said before nutrition changes, work outs change, techniques change that's just progression and evolution we get better with time. Older boxers were bigger warriors than the prima donnas today but overall the skill is higher now imo.
    Last edited by Kzbox; 10-04-2022, 11:05 AM.

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      #42
      Originally posted by Kzbox

      I didn't say Fury has a better career or legacy just straight up head to head based on skill/dimensions Ali would lose no doubt about it. People have just put him on this magical pedestal nobody can compare to he was able to beat them guys because their skills were also primitive like Frazier i don't mean any disrespect these are legends and good fighters but as i said before nutrition changes, work outs change, techniques change that's just progression and evolution we get better with time. Older boxers were bigger warriors than the prima donnas today but overall the skill is higher imo.
      I think Ali was definitely more skilled than Fury, but at the end of the day the skill gap wouldnt be enough to overcome the size difference head to head.

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        #43
        Originally posted by TMLT87

        I think Ali was definitely more skilled than Fury, but at the end of the day the skill gap wouldnt be enough to overcome the size difference head to head.
        Fair enough mate we can all have opinions i just think Ali clinched a hell of a lot and gets hit a hell of a lot more so than Fury i think people need to go watch some of his old fights to refresh their memory than watch a fight of today and see how overrated Ali is, he is basically a punchbag half the time that's why he got ill so young. As i say i mean no disrespect i like Ali he was charismatic and a legend but in terms of fighting ability he's 100% overrated.

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          #44
          Alis resume is fantastic thats why hes revered. He ducked nobody. Skills cant be measured so thats just locker rom talk.

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            #45
            Originally posted by TMLT87

            Yeah, not seeing the relevance to what I said though?
            Well for starters, a fighter who can beat you in a real fight is going to light you up in sparring as well. That will make a very short career and you'll never have confidence...Larry was Ali's sparring partner for years.

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              #46
              Originally posted by Kzbox
              He is overrated when you have people saying he will blow out the people in todays division there is no way you can go back and watch them fights even Frazier v Ali and say he would beat todays best. When u ask people why they think Ali is the best boxer they will say "for what he did outside the ring" that holds no relevance whatsoever on actual skill. I firmly believe Fury would beat Ali if they fought.
              Frazier was the most skilled person he fought and he was basic compared to people in 80s-now same as ali these 2 would be destroyed by mutiple people from 80s-90s

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                #47
                Originally posted by djtmal

                He was more flat footed after a 3 year exhile
                Doesn't matter even his 60s form is way to outdated missing stuff they had in 80s-90s you need to watch matches

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by TMLT87
                  He was great but I think Larry wouldve beaten any version of him tbh. Top 90s guys like Lennox and Bowe too. Even though this era is pretty weak I think Usyk is more skilled as well.
                  Its not a thought usyk is way more skilled ali wasnt even tech he was reflexes only he looks basic compared to all the great skilled people you named and lots of others since 80s looks way more advanced then ali

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by JakeTheBoxer

                    Man, Fury fought 1 elite guy in his all career.

                    And you compare him with Ali, who fought all the best men in two decades?

                    I mean, cmon now. If anything, today`s heavyweights are overrated.

                    Fury fought 1 elite guy in Klitschko. Whyte and Wilder would be bums in Ali`s era.
                    Your a idiot klit whyte and others are way more advanced then 70s what are you talking about how wouldn't they make if their way more skilled try not trolling saying ****** stuff

                    sonny a slow easy to read basic fighter who was so telegraphed looked like he had a trainer in front of him saying punch here now punch there looks so bad

                    a man named acey fought almost exactly sonny in 80s and was trash why cause the era changed that style was to outdated the same would be if the real liston was there

                    Frazier was a inside brawler bowe was way more advanced even when he first started and he was the best inside fighter of all time

                    Razor a man who was a slugger was way more polished and had more skill then the sloopy slow george who was a slugger

                    Ali a outboxer who was reflexes only i can name mutiple people who were less flawed of his style and more advanced in 80s like brigs and tillis and fury who is way more advanced

                    Earnie a man who is overrated which is a lie that idiots like you have said for years how he hit the hardest even though he didn't threw lunge punches and had no real skills and his tech wasn't that good

                    George a man who was sloopy easy to read who got by just by pushing and turning people around had no real skill
                    Slow and wasted alot of punches with hardly any variety of angles he would be destroyed just like son had he fought people in 90s fighting like that


                    These are only a few names I can name more mid carders who not only showed more advanced movement but skills to all from 80s-90s

                    Why didnt some of these names do good as foreman or ali like brigs and tillis well the answer is simple the era became more advanced

                    only crazy idiots who dont watch say a outdated 70s era were special compared to the era's i said

                    why do you have that name i know for a fact if that's true they dont teach those old outdated 70s style or do you exactly fight like that so that tells me you don't even follow what your here saying in match its bull you know the stuff is outdated and has been since 70s

                    those exact styles you said which were outdated would get you and everybody else koed fast if they fought a person even in practice which they call spar by a person using a 90s style

                    Oh and george fought more technical in 90s why did he do that if his 70s form was good enough that should tell you he just like I said seen that 70s style was outdated just like everybody else who was outdated in his time he knew had he came in there with that trash young style he would be destroyed

                    Some boxer you are..... idiot
                    Last edited by Ascended; 10-04-2022, 12:42 PM.

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by AntonTheMeh
                      which is ironic, considering he was practically a carbon copy.
                      That's what I was thinking! Holmes was Ali's sparring partner and learned a lot from him, judging from his similar style.
                      Last edited by SUBZER0ED; 10-04-2022, 12:21 PM.

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