What do you guys mean "all-time great" exactly?

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  • deliveryman
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    #71
    Originally posted by talip bin osman
    just my 2 cents...

    ATG IMO, is a status beyond being "merely a HOF..."

    its like comparing isiah thomas who is an ATG to gary payton who was simply just an all-star...

    like roger federer to james blake...

    erik morales to paulie ayala... (not sure if paulie would be an inductee though)

    u know what i mean?
    Except James Blake blows, I would of used Andy Rod****, at least Andy has won a slam.

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    • talip bin osman
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      #72
      Originally posted by deliveryman
      Except James Blake blows, I would of used Andy Rod****, at least Andy has won a slam.
      hahaha... : )

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        #73
        Originally posted by The_Executioner
        Margarito sucks, Mosley turned down a fight. Floyd should have fought Cotto. Kosta was pretty much washed up and then got mauled by Hatton.
        Wrong Floyd chose to fight Gatti than Tszyu...

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          #74
          Originally posted by FasTHarD
          Wrong Floyd chose to fight Gatti than Tszyu...
          A Mayweather - Tszyu unfication bout was going to happen provided both fighters won their fights. Floyd beat Gatti, Tszyu lost to Hatton.

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            #75
            Originally posted by FasTHarD
            Wrong Floyd chose to fight Gatti than Tszyu...
            The same year washed up Kosta got put into retirement by Hatton...I don't recall Kosta trying to get a fight with Floyd. Gatti had the WBC belt.

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              #76
              ATG for me is to be able to capture a fan's(being a subjective list) imagination either by his resume, skills, longevity, etc.Its like the best among the bests......like the Achilles, Hannibal, Leonides, Alexander of boxing.........

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              • talip bin osman
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                #77
                Originally posted by strugler
                ATG for me is to be able to capture a fan's(being a subjective list) imagination either by his resume, skills, longevity, etc.Its like the best among the bests......like the Achilles, Hannibal, Leonides, Alexander of boxing.........
                is saoul mamby an ATG to u strugler my man?

                is he still active? guy is over 60 i think...

                thats friggin longevity for ya...

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                  #78
                  Originally posted by The_Executioner
                  What do you guys mean when talking about all time great? I mean I'd put Mayweather Jr and Pernell in the top 40 or 50 all time. Is that what you mean when speaking all time? The all-time list of fighters in which most would put Robinson at 1.

                  What is this talk about Cotto probably not being on the all time great list? If he gets another 3-4 quality wins he should be in the top 100 or maybe even top 60.

                  Someone clarify...
                  Maybe if we can add/update 20 more to the list below, we can make an ATG top 100.

                  In 2002, Ring Magazine published a list of the 80 Best Fighters of the Last 80 Years in boxing, as voted by the magazine's writers.

                  1. Sugar Ray Robinson
                  2. Henry Armstrong
                  3. Muhammad Ali
                  4. Joe Louis
                  5. Roberto Duran
                  6. Willie Pep
                  7. Harry Greb
                  8. Benny Leonard
                  9. Sugar Ray Leonard
                  10. Pernell Whitaker

                  11. Carlos Monzon
                  12. Rocky Marciano
                  13. Ezzard Charles
                  14. Archie Moore
                  15. Sandy Saddler
                  16. Jack Dempsey
                  17. Marvin Hagler
                  18. Julio Cesar Chavez
                  19. Eder Jofre
                  20. Alexis Arguello
                  21. Barney Ross
                  22. Evander Holyfield
                  23. Ike Williams
                  24. Salvador Sanchez
                  25. George Foreman
                  26. Kid Gavilan
                  27. Larry Holmes
                  28. Mickey Walker
                  29. Ruben Olivares
                  30. Gene Tunney
                  31. **** Tiger
                  32. Fighting Harada
                  33. Emile Griffith
                  34. Tony Canzoneri
                  35. Aaron Pryor
                  36. Pascual Perez
                  37. Miguel Canto
                  38. Manuel Ortiz
                  39. Charley Burley
                  40. Carmen Basilio
                  41. Michael Spinks
                  42. Joe Frazier
                  43. Khaosai Galaxy
                  44. Roy Jones, Jr.
                  45. Tiger Flowers
                  46. Panama Al Brown
                  47. Kid Chocolate
                  48. Joe Brown
                  49. Tommy Loughran
                  50. Bernard Hopkins
                  51. Felix Trinidad
                  52. Jake LaMotta
                  53. Lennox Lewis
                  54. Wilfredo Gomez
                  55. Bob Foster
                  56. Jose Napoles
                  57. Billy Conn
                  58. Jimmy McLarnin
                  59. Pancho Villa
                  60. Carlos Ortiz
                  61. Bob Montgomery
                  62. Freddie Miller
                  63. Benny Lynch
                  64. Beau Jack
                  65. Azumah Nelson
                  66. Eusebio Pedroza
                  67. Thomas Hearns
                  68. Wilfred Benitez
                  69. Antonio Cervantes
                  70. Ricardo Lopez
                  71. Sonny Liston
                  72. Mike Tyson
                  73. Vicente Saldivar
                  74. Gene Fullmer
                  75. Oscar De La Hoya
                  76. Carlos Zarate
                  77. Marcel Cerdan
                  78. Flash Elorde
                  79. Mike McCallum
                  80. Harold Johnson

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                  • strugler
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                    #79
                    Originally posted by talip bin osman
                    is saoul mamby an ATG to u strugler my man?

                    is he still active? guy is over 60 i think...

                    thats friggin longevity for ya...


                    naaaah...you're taking me too literally...........

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                    • talip bin osman
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                      #80
                      Originally posted by strugler
                      naaaah...you're taking me too literally...........
                      i mean a case can be made 4 him right?

                      fighting for 5 different decades professionally?

                      thats phenomenal...

                      not ATG but some kind of special recognition... : )

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