Why did David Haye sign the contract if he didn't like it?

[Libido Sanchez]

They are men, not robots!

Calling them "robots" because of some stereotype created by cold war propaganda is racist.

You're calling Ivan Drago a racial stereotype? He had a hot wife (at the time) and was the pride of USSR. Plus, he was a damn memorable movie character.

But if you can't enjoy "Rocky IV" I feel bad for you, bro. It's an entertaining movie.

[Spacey1991]

Why couldn't he go through a final eliminator, like Thompson and Povetkin did, and EARN the shot at TWO world titles?

The WBO would likely have set him up in a final eliminator with Arreola of Dimitrenko. He could have perhaps fought in the next WBC final eliminator.

Why did he need to take a shortcut? Beggars can't be choosers.

Why are you trying to make it sound okay, make it out to be a good contract. Everyone apart from you thinks it is a dodgy contract... I could understand a slight cut for not fighting in an eliminator but this takes the piss, Haye only gets the UK TV money. Plus, regardless of the eliminator bull****... this was the most talked about Heavyweight fight out there and the best one in the Heavyweight division.

You know the contract isn't right just as much as everyone else... why deny it? If he fought for the title eliminator, who's to say they wouldn't pull the same ****ty stunt?

At the end of the day, the lack of money Haye is getting could be understandable for not fighting in an eliminator, and I could understand Wlad saying he wants a rematch... but also a match with his brother? That fight should be negotiated on its own.

[Spacey1991]

You're calling Ivan Drago a racial stereotype? He had a hot wife (at the time) and was the pride of USSR. Plus, he was a damn memorable movie character.

But if you can't enjoy "Rocky IV" I feel bad for you, bro. It's an entertaining movie.

A bit far fetched in my opinion, that was one of there **** ones in my book.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

he is practically fighting for free just to get those titles

Um, what?

You can't take away the fact that what they are trying to do is wrong and that its a dodgy contract.

Err, yeah, you can. "Wrong", "right"? What is this, playground morals? It's the fight business. Contract is legal. That's a fact.

[Libido Sanchez]

A bit far fetched in my opinion, that was one of there **** ones in my book.

I respect your opinion. I enjoyed it. But, yes, Clubber Lang had more personality.

By the way, off topic, what exactly does the term "taking the piss" mean? I gather it's British slang for something like joking when somebody is trying to be serious? Or is that completely wrong?

[Ben_London.]

... he is practically fighting for free just to get those titles

Then he must be very ******. Nobody fights for free...

[Smokin'J]

You know, in a perfect world (or in a "Rocky" movie), this thing would have naturally played out in real life instead of at the negotiating table before the first fight even happens. Wlad loses and his brother sticks up for him and all the other plot twists come into play and we get to enjoy it all as boxing fans.

As it stands, the Klits now have a guarantee to have three tries to beat Haye. Like I said, good for them for negotiating that. Who knows... maybe Haye beats Wlad twice or Wlad/Vitali and never gives the Bros. a rematch. But if he does beat them both convincingly, they still get another shot. Yes, that favors the two-headed monster that are the Klits. If Klit fans want to celebrate that, then they can celebrate that. But it also gives people another reason not to like them.

If we're lucky, this thing turns into an exciting and memorable trilogy. That would be great. Plus, the Klit fans could then say, "See, wasn't it great for the Klits to demand the two rematches clause?"

Having said this, Wlad should beat Haye. It will be a major upset if he doesn't, IMO. But, yeah, I'm rooting for the underdog.

I made a big ass wall full of text ended up getting a error when I pressed Submit Reply so I guess I'll keep it simple;

First of all thats the point,
why let it get risky when you could be SURE of it?
Also so what if they don't like the Klitschko bros. Its not like they like him like this, also wouldn't it attract haters to see them getting KO'd?

[Spacey1991]

Um, what?






Err, yeah, you can. "Wrong", "right"? What is this, playground morals? It's the fight business. Contract is legal. That's a fact.

I never said it was illegal... I said it was wrong (yes morally), and plenty of people think the same.

I respect your opinion. I enjoyed it. But, yes, Clubber Lang had more personality.

By the way, off topic, what exactly does the term "taking the piss" mean? I gather it's British slang for something like joking when somebody is trying to be serious? Or is that completely wrong?

Clubber Lang is god, taking the piss basically means playing somebody like there a fool.

Then he must be very ******. Nobody fights for free...

Check out the purse split... Haye barely gets anything compared to the Klitschko's (understanding they deserve more for being champion... but not the amount they are getting in comparison which is probably the most valuable fight in the Heavyweight division at the moment).

Honestly mate, I know what you mean by if he doesn't like it he didn't have to sign for it and all... but are you telling me you completely agree with everything that is going on?

[Ben_London.]

... but not the amount they are getting in comparison which is probably the most valuable fight in the Heavyweight division at the moment).

Than Haye is a dummy to sign it.

Nobody held a gun to his head.

He could have fought another heavyweight, why didn't he? Remember, he promised he'd fight two "top ten" heavyweights before Wladimir.

[Libido Sanchez]

I made a big ass wall full of text ended up getting a error when I pressed Submit Reply so I guess I'll keep it simple;

First of all thats the point,
why let it get risky when you could be SURE of it?
Also so what if they don't like the Klitschko bros. Its not like they like him like this, also wouldn't it attract haters to see them getting KO'd?

That sucks about the error. I hate when that happens.

If we get exciting fights out of this, then I'm sure the contract negotiations won't be as big a deal (but they're likely not to be forgotten by some). I just think that this deal seems to appeal to the hardcore Klit fans because it favors the brothers. If someone else did it to them, their fans would cry foul.

Cutting out the risk is a good business move, it just doesn't seem good or fair in what should be fair competition (sports).

People not liking the Klits does make some tune in in hopes to seeing them KTFO. But the irony is that the Klits are supposed to be the "good guys" in this match. They're acting like bad guys in the negotiations, IMO.