How do you beat a Counter Puncher?

[jack_the_rippuh]

Yeah, I agree with the feinting part. If you can feint very will after landing a consistent jab you can time how they will respond or counter to your punches...and you gotta have good head movement...if not, good footwork...to get in and out.

[ispayder]

Tell Manny to learn how to box,show him some tapes of Julio Cesar Chavez. Marquez is not only the best counter puncher but the best boxer Manny will ever have the privilege to fight. Manny doesnt have half the skill JCC had so forget beating Marquez or any real BOXER ever again cause he got exposed! If u see their fight again Marquez would jab and throw rights.You make it seem like he was just waiting for a punch to come flying at him which was only his hurt left hand and counter. I saw very different and Manny does have a punchers chance but not the talent buddy.

On the contrary, it looks to me that it was JMM who got exposed. First knockdown, he tasted the power of Pacman's left. Second KD it is still the same left. Third KD, the same ****in' left. Committing the same mistake three times is ******.

[jack_the_rippuh]

How do you beat a hugger-puncher like Ruiz?

[Pac-man]

How do you beat a hugger-puncher like Ruiz?

Throw some good body combinations (like what Pacquiao did to Barrera) or.. counter punch him if he tries to hug you.

[m00ks]

Tell Manny to learn how to box,show him some tapes of Julio Cesar Chavez. Marquez is not only the best counter puncher but the best boxer Manny will ever have the privilege to fight. Manny doesnt have half the skill JCC had so forget beating Marquez or any real BOXER ever again cause he got exposed! If u see their fight again Marquez would jab and throw rights.You make it seem like he was just waiting for a punch to come flying at him which was only his hurt left hand and counter. I saw very different and Manny does have a punchers chance but not the talent buddy.

Pac ****d Barrera in his backyard. How the **** can you say he don't got talent. You know nothing....

[rsl]

Throw some good body combinations (like what Pacquiao did to Barrera) or.. counter punch him if he tries to hug you.

Alot easier said than done though, I mean we would've seen it already w/ all the fighters Ruiz has faced, but yeah it's probably the best strategy like you said, punch before Ruiz even grabs a hold of you, or do a lot of side to side movement and punch from different angles ex. Roy Jones Jr. vs. John Ruiz. Going back to what strategy is effective when a fighter likes to clinch. Me and my trainer would actually work on ways so we wouldn't end up getting tied up and the thing with clinching is, it's kinda sneaky, its almost like the punch you didn't see, next thing you know you are tied up and wrestling w/ your opponent wasting energy trying to get yourself out of it. One counter that is pretty much my bread and butter when I sense that my opponent is about to tie me up, is shoot a straight punch right down the middle to his solar plexus and follow it up or after the shot, or pivot and throw some more shots. Another example of a fight where one fighter was using the punch and grab tactic was the first Tszyu - Mitchell fight and as some of you saw, Kostya was just roughin' him up on the inside everytime Mitchell would grab, I mean sometimes getting dirty is o.k. like throwing some inside elbows(kinda like throwing a short uppercut, but the elbow lands on the chest or midsection, Tyson is a good example of this, or watch some Muay Thai kickboxing and see how those guys execute it) and make them eat some shoulder as well, when in a tie-up, any of you remember that 1st Roy Jones Jr. fight with Montell Griffin, remember that round where Jones Jr. and Griffin were in a clinch and Montell just gave Roy some shoulder right on RJJ'S chin and Roy got backed up from it and Montell followed it up w/ an overhand or straight punch. I remember watching that fight and saw that particular strategy and I was just so proud of myself cause at that time, that was when i was just a gym rat and my trainer would show us and work on little "slightly" dirty, crafty moves and seeing it getting executed by a pro, I thought that was just cool, since there were times that I would be skeptical and didn't see the "big" picture on what he was preaching and showing us and what felt like torture on some of those brutal workout sessions.

[elveiel]

Pressure, good chin and power!

[dempseyfire]

Jones Jr. and Holyfield showed the way to beat Ruiz- in Evander's case-throw lots of shots in the inside, counterpunch, and throw the uppercut. In Jones's case, use footmovement and get Ruiz off his gameplan. A large reason for Ruiz's success is that he hasn't faced opponents with good handspeed-he's been able to beat guys to the punch and then grapple. Someone who can outspeed him like Toney or Byrd would beat him . . .

[rsl]

Pac ****d Barrera in his backyard. How the **** can you say he don't got talent. You know nothing....

Or maybe it's the other way around that JMM, MORALES, and Barrera aren't as good as they're made out to be, therefore a tough, sloppy fighter like Pac is able to compete w/ 2 out of the three.

[m00ks]

Or maybe it's the other way around that JMM, MORALES, and Barrera aren't as good as they're made out to be, therefore a tough, sloppy fighter like Pac is able to compete w/ 2 out of the three.

I think MAB has done enough in his career to have his talent unquestioned. He was alone to have disposed of Prince and gave Morales absolute war. No, he is good and people shouldn't doubt his capabilities. Pac is way tooo underrated. The kid shows more technique, body movements and ring generalship than most brawlers. I wouldn't call him sloppy or wild like Mayorga. Hey if his punches are connecting, you gotta give him SOMETHING. If he was a sloppy or technique lacking as you say he is, MAB would have been the gatekeeper that filtered him out.