Floyd Mayweather vs. prime Roberto Duran at lightweight: who wins?

[wmute]

i'll say it again, duran was not a better technician than sosa was overall. duran was a better fighter, knew how to mix it up, went to the body, but true boxing, duran didn't do better than sosa, period. there's nothing wrong in saying this. sosa had great technical skills, duran had skills, a good chin, power, heart, whatever else, duran was the better fighter, no doubt about it, but duran was not a technician, he just had many abilities physically and knew how to wear his opponent's down, which is why i'm making this claim. styles makes fights people, and duran's style wouldn't be good enough to get him the win. sosa had a better shot at beating floyd, that's how i see it, that's the way i'm calling it.

1) can you explain for me the difference between skills and technical skills?
which side of boxing did Sosa do better than Duran? jabbing, moving, counterpunching, body pivoting? I am really curious. Like I said, I think you are compltely off, but I know you (usually?) know what you are talking about. So I want to hear it.

2) Have you seen Duran-Barkley?

Note that I am giving Mayweather (and Leonard) )the best chance of all 135ers in history against Duran, but IMO it is because of movement, not because of what would happen in the pocket.

[oldgringo]

this coming from somebody who has a picture of a man making a silly face in his avatar. you keep it up too buddy. you don't even have to type **** in for people to laugh at you. job well done.

that man making the silly face isn't nearly as funny as a post from you. come on...give us another take on vic sosa and duran. call it like you see it and drop some knowledge on us pal.

[pbftxrs316]

It's absolutely comical how Duran's skill set is comparable to Hatton's, but Floyd is a supreme mix of Leonard, Whitaker, Toney, Taylor, and Jones with just a DASH of Sugar Ray Robinson sprinkled on top. Quite a distorted take on things.

hatton's skillset is comparable to duran's. have you really ever watched floyd fight? look at his style. many boxing experts compared him to roy jones as as how dynamic he was, the same for leonard. whitaker because of how he could slip punches and his ability to have an effective jab. srr because of his leaping left hook, which floyd did a lot at 130, toney because of the shoulder roll, noris because of elusiveness on offense and they had a similar jab, taylor because of his fighting off of the ropes, and even floyd patterson too. he has shown a pieces of all these fighters with his style moving up in weight. his style changed moving up in weight.

i compared hatton's skillset to duran, obviously duran was better than hatton, but skillwise and how he moved around, it's comparable. he duran moved his head more and didn't' walk straight in, but he did pressure fighters the way hatton did, and his rhythm is similar to hatton's, whih isn't an insult to duran, because hatton is a very good fighter. i used to also compare jesus chavez to duran and genaro hernandez to him because of their traits, i'd see pices of duran in them, that's how i compare them, not to insult them, just to help with my argument and the point i'm trying to make with it.

[pbftxrs316]

that man making the silly face isn't nearly as funny as a post from you. come on...give us another take on vic sosa and duran. call it like you see it and drop some knowledge on us pal.

oh, so he must be your boyfriend or something huh? sorry for insulting you then. i didn't know...

[El Dominicano]

Why are people picking Duran by K.O? You people make me laugh! Anyway, I'm gonna say Duran by S.D and I wouldn't count Mayweather out

[IMDAZED]

hatton's skillset is comparable to duran's.

[oldgringo]

oh, so he must be your boyfriend or something huh? sorry for insulting you then. i didn't know...

have i told you that you're awesome yet? we have exchanged maybe 2-3 replies with each other and you have already gone to the vault to insult me over a picture under my forum handle.

PLEASE

stick to preaching to all about floyd and his potent robinson'esque left hook at 130. we like listening to that stuff.

[pbftxrs316]

1) can you explain for me the difference between skills and technical skills?
which side of boxing did Sosa do better than Duran? jabbing, moving, counterpunching, body pivoting? I am really curious. Like I said, I think you are compltely off, but I know you (usually?) know what you are talking about. So I want to hear it.

2) Have you seen Duran-Barkley?

Note that I am giving Mayweather (and Leonard) )the best chance of all 135ers in history against Duran, but IMO it is because of movement, not because of what would happen in the pocket.

gladly

i view technical skills as follows
-jab, straight right hand-cross-uppercut-counterpunching-movment-body positioning-defense-blocking, slipping. left hook to the body, feinting, footwork, upperbody movement. bascially conventional fundamentals-sosa had this over duran. but it was how he threw his punches he stayed sharp,

skills
-unconventional fighting-brawling-not nessicarily unorthodox, just not textbook boxing. duran did jab, i know this, he did go to the body, he did throw overhand rights and left hooks and straight right hands---but in an uncomventional way-more of less he threw those punches like a brawler...can get wild, but was very effective, he wasn't just a brawler, just brawler at best, but he had fundamentals, just had his style that he knew would work. he was a versatile fighter, no doubt, i've never discredited duran, he was a mnoster and amazing fighter, but he would not beat floyd, and sosa's style was more equipped at beating him tan duran's. just my opinion but i strongly believe this.

i just watched duran/barkley last week...and that only intensifies my argument. hell of a fight though. duran was a speial fighter.

as far as the pocket goes, you see that's my point. you gave srl and floyd the best chance at beating him by moving. i highly disagree. srl threw many punches but would brawl you, he was just so dynamic but his inside fight game never impressed, unitl benitez anyway, because of how he defended in the pocket. he had a tendency to want to brawl and throw flurries in the pocket a lot, which i never like because he got hit doing this. and trust me, duran landed thaty overhand right on his ass so i would favor leonard over duran anytime if he moved. floyd's defense in the pocket is too pronounced for duran to really expose his inside game, and i explained the reasons earlier. i am willing to bet, floyd outlands duran on the inside and duran misses many of his shots, i guarantee you this.

there you have it

[BattlingNelson]

I like to watch PBF fight. The floydstans however has created a little devil inside me that wants to see him lose. This thread makes that devil a bit bigger.

I know how you feel about Calzaghe now if I didn't know before.

As for the topic I think Duran's run at 135 might be slightly overrated as the depth of the division was considerably less than stellar. Still he was fearsome and the styles matchup between him and Floyd is a boxing classic. I can definetely see the slick Floyd have good success with counters as he does so brilliantly. I can also see Duran's great right hand landing especially as the fight progresses. I doubt it will end in a kayo. In fact I'm as certain as can be that this fight would go the distance.

And that's the key word: Distance. In a 12 rounder I think Floyd takes it. I would think Duran would have more and more success as the fight progresses so in a 15 rounder Duran has a better chance, but at gunpoint I wouldn't give Duran more than a 50/50 shot at winning a 15 round fight.

[S.G.]

i think Duran would sc**** it