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  • Fulcrum29
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    #81
    Originally posted by TheManchine
    George Foreman came into the Ali fight with a record of 40 wins, 38 by knockout, no losses.
    George Foreman and Shaver's competition both paled in comparison to Vitali's at that point. Take a look at Foreman's competition prior to Ali, he fought guys with over 40 losses, 30 losses, 50 losses, the combined losses of his opponents at that point was in the hundreds if not thousands. Now compare that to Vitali's competition. Big difference.
    The question isn't whether Vitali could have gone through their resume with the same number of knockouts, the question is could Foreman/Shavers have gone through Vitali's superior early resume with the same number of knockouts? I suspect no.

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    • TheGreatA
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      #82
      Mac Foster 28 wins, 28 by knockout. Ali allowed him to take free shots and laughed them off.

      Ali also fought the "great" LaMar Clark who was coming into the fight with a record of 44 wins, 43 knockouts.

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        #83
        Originally posted by Fulcrum29
        Ali and all them have more than a small chance but come on you aren't serious about the danny williams thing? He was utterly bulldozed and razed by Vitali he stood no chance. It was one of the worst shellackings the Great Vit ever doled out.
        I'm not trying to argue that point it was a beating, but the point still stands.

        Danny Williams V Vitali Klitschko = Vitali TKO 8

        Danny Williams V Audley (Audrey, Ordinary, A Farce, Gay Force) Harrison = Audley TKO 3

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          #84
          Originally posted by Fulcrum29
          George Foreman and Shaver's competition both paled in comparison to Vitali's at that point. Take a look at Foreman's competition prior to Ali, he fought guys with over 40 losses, 30 losses, 50 losses, the combined losses of his opponents at that point was in the hundreds if not thousands. Now compare that to Vitali's competition. Big difference.
          The question isn't whether Vitali could have gone through their resume with the same number of knockouts, the question is could Foreman/Shavers have gone through Vitali's superior early resume with the same number of knockouts? I suspect no.
          Foreman's wins at that point:

          Joe Frazier (HOF) KO2
          Ken Norton (HOF) KO2
          George Chuvalo TKO3
          Gregorio Peralta

          Vitali's wins:

          Sam Peter TKO 8
          Corrie Sanders TKO 8
          JC Gomez TKO 9
          Danny Williams TKO 8

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            #85
            Originally posted by werewolf
            http://video.google.com/videosearch?...&hl=en&tab=wv#


            Here's the final round of the Gomez fight. It tells the whole story. The doctor K brothers are now so great they no longer even get punched! It's been years, I think, since either one of them even took a solid punch? What heavyweight champ has ever been able to say that before? What heavyweight champ was ever so totally dominant before?

            Gomez had an amateur record in Cuba of 158-12. He had only lost one out of 45 fights as a pro.
            Not in history bro.

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              #86
              Originally posted by TheManchine
              Mac Foster 28 wins, 28 by knockout. Ali allowed him to take free shots and laughed them off.

              Ali also fought the "great" LaMar Clark who was coming into the fight with a record of 44 wins, 43 knockouts.
              I know he fought Clark. Did you see Mac Foster's opponents?

              Almost all of them with 20 losses each. That's not indicative of power.

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                #87
                Originally posted by Infern0
                I'm not trying to argue that point it was a beating, but the point still stands.

                Danny Williams V Vitali Klitschko = Vitali TKO 8

                Danny Williams V Audley (Audrey, Ordinary, A Farce, Gay Force) Harrison = Audley TKO 3
                You know those ABC arguments don't work. Styles make fights.

                Mike Tyson vs. Kevin Mcbride: LOL...

                Kevin Mcbride vs. Andrew Golota KO 6

                Mike Tyson vs. Golota: LOL

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                  #88
                  Originally posted by Fulcrum29
                  I know he fought Clark. Did you see Mac Foster's opponents?

                  Almost all of them with 20 losses each. That's not indicative of power.
                  He knocked out Thad Spencer, the former number 1 contender in the world, in one round.
                  KO'd Cleveland Williams, former title challenger, in 3 rounds.
                  KO'd Zora Folley, former title challenger, in one round.

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                    #89
                    Originally posted by TheManchine
                    He knocked out Thad Spencer, the former number 1 contender in the world, in one round.
                    KO'd Cleveland Williams, former title challenger, in 3 rounds.
                    KO'd Zora Folley, former title challenger, in one round.
                    Not to mention he became famous for knocking out Sonny Liston during an exhibition match with one punch.

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                      #90
                      Originally posted by TheManchine
                      Foreman's wins at that point:

                      Joe Frazier (HOF) KO2
                      Ken Norton (HOF) KO2
                      George Chuvalo TKO3
                      Gregorio Peralta

                      Vitali's wins:

                      Sam Peter TKO 8
                      Corrie Sanders TKO 8
                      JC Gomez TKO 9
                      Danny Williams TKO 8

                      ...
                      Let's be honest on that wins list I would put Lewis because that's a foregone conclusion if you ask me. Lewis on Vitali's resume is superior to Norton and only inferior to one of those names (Frazier).

                      Everyone knows Vitali owned Lewis so I'd say the resume's are pretty similar, given the other information I said about padding the record with guys with 40 losses apart from those 4 good names.

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