The Doctor K brothers - the greatest heavyweight champs in history!

[Fulcrum29]

He knocked out Thad Spencer, the former number 1 contender in the world, in one round.
KO'd Cleveland Williams, former title challenger, in 3 rounds.
KO'd Zora Folley, former title challenger, in one round.

former huh? How far off the rocker was this "Thad Spencer?"

You know Mcbride KO'd Tyson in a couple rounds too...he was a "former world champ."

You see one must take into account the condition of the opponents..i.e. how far out of their prime were they etc.

[TheGreatA]

Let's be honest on that wins list I would put Lewis because that's a foregone conclusion if you ask me. Lewis on Vitali's resume is superior to Norton and only inferior to one of those names (Frazier).

Everyone knows Vitali owned Lewis so I'd say the resume's are pretty similar, given the other information I said about padding the record with guys with 40 losses apart from those 4 good names.

The problem is he never beat Lewis but actually lost to him by TKO.

[Mike Tyson77]

BOW to Vitali and Wlad, they rule sports!

[Fulcrum29]

Not to mention he became famous for knocking out Sonny Liston during an exhibition match with one punch.

Sonny Liston notoriously barely trained for regular matches, how much did you expect him to train for a worthless exhibition?

[Fulcrum29]

The problem is he never beat Lewis but actually lost to him by TKO.

Yea he "officially" lost to Chris Byrd too but we all know what really went down.

You see the problem with reading history only by the numbers is that it's not that simple and you end up blinding yourself to the truth. I guess Roy Jones "actually lost" to that Korean in the olympics too right?

Get real pal we all know Vitali dominated Lewis and sent him to retirement. That's a win for Vitali for sure.

[TheGreatA]

former huh? How far off the rocker was this "Thad Spencer?"

You know Mcbride KO'd Tyson in a couple rounds too...he was a "former world champ."

You see one must take into account the condition of the opponents..i.e. how far out of their prime were they etc.

Agreed. He did KO them inside single rounds however and became famous for knocking Liston out.

Jerry Quarry said Foster hit as hard as anybody he ever fought and he fought all of them.

[TheGreatA]

Sonny Liston notoriously barely trained for regular matches, how much did you expect him to train for a worthless exhibition?

I don't know about notoriously not training, maybe for his time. He always kept his weight under 220 lbs, the same can't be said for the majority of today's HW's (for example Sam Peter who is shorter than Liston).

[Fulcrum29]

Agreed. He did KO them inside single rounds however and became famous for knocking Liston out.

Jerry Quarry said Foster hit as hard as anybody he ever fought and he fought all of them.

Vitali has an ATG/GOAT chin. Power is meaningless to him. He walked through everything that's ever landed on him.

[Fulcrum29]

I don't know about notoriously not training, maybe for his time. He always kept his weight under 220 lbs, the same can't be said for the majority of today's HW's (for example Sam Peter who is shorter than Liston).

Lifestyles were different back then. Obesity was not as rampant, Mcdonald's iron grip had not yet tightened over our nation. Nutrition wasn't as advanced either, obesity and such did not exist on the same scale so a guy could be out of shape but would still look very good and trim compared to today's corpulent slob heavyweights.

[Pullcounter]

George Foreman and Shaver's competition both paled in comparison to Vitali's at that point. Take a look at Foreman's competition prior to Ali, he fought guys with over 40 losses, 30 losses, 50 losses, the combined losses of his opponents at that point was in the hundreds if not thousands. Now compare that to Vitali's competition. Big difference.
The question isn't whether Vitali could have gone through their resume with the same number of knockouts, the question is could Foreman/Shavers have gone through Vitali's superior early resume with the same number of knockouts? I suspect no.

i don't think vitaly's early resume is all that impressive either