Has anyone seen Pac Man get ko'd

[fight game]

that was like 14 years ago.

[Left Hook Tua]

hatton vs pac is like foreman vs frazier

hatton is too big

people act like hatton has punching power or something.

hatton is a strong junior welterweight but i wouldn't say he has great punching power.

when was the last time hatton had a legitimate ko win?

most of his ko wins are through tko's at least the ones against moderately good fighters.

[Left Hook Tua]

Nah, the first was cleary a low blow. The second he lost the title before the fight, couldn`t make the weight in spite of not eating for one week. Naturally his stomach was weak that time. After that was a different story.

it was NOT a lowblow.

you need to watch another video of that ko.

that youtube video doesn't show the punch.

[FaustoGeraci]

Both of those were body shots.

[JOM'S]

one of you guys should also post the two other KDs both are chin shots...

[BennyST]

And yet his die-hard fans will continue on about where he started his career at. If they can use that, it is OK to use the KO losses with no excuses.

For me, I'll only bring it up to make a point.
I'll look at his entire career but in my opinion, he is physically matured now and the best he has ever been.

You know what gives me the ****es about this thread already? How many guys (Pac-fans) are already saying that these losses don't matter because he has gone on to bigger and better things, even though he never rematched and beat them, and that none of it matters and you can't take them into account.

Yet, whenever I see anyone Pac-fan go on a rant about (just using a common example here that I see all the time) Darchinyan, they always, without fail, bring up the loss to Donaire and say that until he rematches him then none of his career means anything, even though he has moved up beaten three brilliant fighters, unified the SBW the the first time ever etc etc. I'll never understand how the logic of these guys works.

It's funny reading it though.

Just on a side note: Lots of people seem to be saying they were both body shots. Only Singsurat's was by a body shot. Torrecampo's was a perfect shot to the chin. It wasn't about being weight drained either for those who keep bringing up that excuse. He just got KO'd. He was young and inexperienced. It doesn't matter though, because the best champions are the ones who get back up after a loss, or two bad ones in this case, and go on to great things after. They were both early in the fight, so it's not as if exhaustion would have set in due to the weight problem yet. The same thing happened against Hussein at a higher weight, but due to a dodgy ref and Hussein being a ****eful finisher he was able to get a win instead of his third KO loss.

Anyway, they should effect his standing overall as any others fighters losses do no matter where they are in his career. The fact he came back though makes it an even greater achievement in my opinion because few champions can come back from bad KO losses, or just any loss. Only the greats come back and become champs again. Nonetheless, it's not as if he didn't get KO'd because he did. Twice.

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[BennyST]

people act like hatton has punching power or something.

I've been seeing this quite a lot lately. Where has this sudden resurgence of the 'Hatton as a power puncher' talk come from? Hatton has never been a big puncher. He is not even in the vein of guys like Duran that were hard punchers but whose KO's were due more to accumulation of punishment than single knockout punches. He doesn't even often stop guys that way.

Marquez is a bigger puncher than Hatton in my opinion. The only way Hatton stops anyone is if he wears their body down well and that is certainly the only way he will stop Manny, if he does at all, which is unlikely.

[JOM'S]

You know what gives me the ****es about this thread already? How many guys (Pac-fans) are already saying that these losses don't matter because he has gone on to bigger and better things, even though he never rematched and beat them, and that none of it matters and you can't take them into account.

Yet, whenever I see anyone Pac-fan go on a rant about (just using a common example here that I see all the time) Darchinyan, they always, without fail, bring up the loss to Donaire and say that until he rematches him then none of his career means anything, even though he has moved up beaten three brilliant fighters, unified the SBW the the first time ever etc etc. I'll never understand how the logic of these guys works.

It's funny reading it though.

Just on a side note: Lots of people seem to be saying they were both body shots. Only Singsurat's was by a body shot. Torrecampo's was a perfect shot to the chin. It wasn't about being weight drained either for those who keep bringing up that excuse. He just got KO'd. He was young and inexperienced. It doesn't matter though, because the best champions are the ones who get back up after a loss, or two bad ones in this case, and go on to great things after. They were both early in the fight, so it's not as if exhaustion would have set in due to the weight problem yet. The same thing happened against Hussein at a higher weight, but due to a dodgy ref and Hussein being a ****eful finisher he was able to get a win instead of his third KO loss.

Anyway, they should effect his standing overall as any others fighters losses do no matter where they are in his career. The fact he came back though makes it an even greater achievement in my opinion because few champions can come back from bad KO losses, or just any loss. Only the greats come back and become champs again. Nonetheless, it's not as if he didn't get KO'd because he did. Twice.

hey benny I am a PACFAN and yes those early KO losses matter ... and your right they made PAC stronger ...

i agree it is a little funny that some pac fans say those losses don't matter but IMHO comparing those losses to vic's loss to donaire is also funny?!?

nonito at the least is still making himself relevant has not loss his title yet and still fighting at a weight close to vic, although has not fight that much...

both singsurat & torreocampo not only stayed at flyweight (PAC jumped UP to Super Bantam) they also did not make anything significant after those victories making them far far away PAC's trajectory ... i think you would not question why PAC never rematched those guys...

[JOM'S]

I've been seeing this quite a lot lately. Where has this sudden resurgence of the 'Hatton as a power puncher' talk come from? Hatton has never been a big puncher. He is not even in the vein of guys like Duran that were hard punchers but whose KO's were due more to accumulation of punishment than single knockout punches. He doesn't even often stop guys that way.

Marquez is a bigger puncher than Hatton in my opinion. The only way Hatton stops anyone is if he wears their body down well and that is certainly the only way he will stop Manny, if he does at all, which is unlikely.

I think that is true P4P but I am not sure if that translates to fights at 140...

I mean hatton has pretty good KO Ratio at 140...