Froch - "I Can Still Knock Joe Calzaghe Out Easily"

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Not really. If you dont want to take risks, fair enough, just dont go play the "Boxing superstar" card when your resume is a fraud.

Which is exactley what Joe has done in his entire career...

Atleast Froch is taking risks.

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I always laugh when people use the likes of McIntyre and Pudwill to slate Calzaghe when both were last minute replacements for very respectable opponents. Either that or cancel the show. Same happened with Froch when he fought that Polish plumber last year.

As for Froch, his continuous calling out of Calzaghe was a relevant as Joe Bugner calling out Tyson in the 90's. Neither was simply on the others radar because neither were in the same stratosphere as the star in the division. If you want to fight the best you have to beat one of the top challengers - or, at the very least, someone in the top 20. Until this year, in his 30's, Froch simply hasn't done enough to even earn a shot at one of the contenders.

And that for me is the biggest tragedy here, because IMO Froch could have been at the top of the division. He had the power to trouble anyone, the ability to pick a punch and surprising speed. Sadly that was 3 years ago. He looks over the hill to me now, which is depressing because it's only now he's fighting some top 5 opposition. There was never a time when Froch could have beaten Calzaghe though and even Froch knows that.

Froch fought one of the WBC challengers, won and is now defending his belt against world class right away. Who did Joe calzaghe defend his WBO belt against when he won it, wasnt it the legendary Branko Sobot?

Why doesnt calzaghe fight some top opposition right now, like Hopkins and dawson, he beat Mario Veit in one round and gave him a rematch, surely he can give hop one too, then fight dawson. Oh yeah, there's no fights out there for him, cos he beat roy jones and hopkins in their primes right, boxing is dying right, Dawson isnt a big name right cos he's not a massive star like peter manfredo.

Typical Calzaghe cum queens, rather than supporting a guy looking to fight world class asap, they find reasons to slate him because he wants to fight their daddy.

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Froch fought one of the WBC challengers, won and is now defending his belt against world class right away. Who did Joe calzaghe defend his WBO belt against when he won it, wasnt it the legendary Branko Sobot?

Why doesnt calzaghe fight some top opposition right now, like Hopkins and dawson, he beat Mario Veit in one round and gave him a rematch, surely he can give hop one too, then fight dawson. Oh yeah, there's no fights out there for him, cos he beat roy jones and hopkins in their primes right, boxing is dying right, Dawson isnt a big name right cos he's not a massive star like peter manfredo.

Typical Calzaghe cum queens, rather than supporting a guy looking to fight world class asap, they find reasons to slate him because he wants to fight their daddy.

Apparently Calzaghe is not "Motivated" to face Hopkins after taking a dodgy SD againsta 43 year old, but he was very motivated for staying 10 whole years in the mediocre division, facing nothing but mediocre fighters

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Not really. If you dont want to take risks, fair enough, just dont go play the "Boxing superstar" card when your resume is a fraud.

Which is exactley what Joe has done in his entire career...

Atleast Froch is taking risks.

Thats it, very simple, Froch isnt Keeping his belt demanding the best come to nottingham to fight him.

Its simple, in the ring, calzaghe would more than likely beat froch.

But froch seems like the guy who is willing to take more risks. People say calzaghe is a different stratosphere, these are his WBO defences, barring a few names, how many top fighters today would struggle with these greats?

Mikkel Kessler
Sakio Bika
Jeff Lacy
Evans Ashira

Kabary Salem
Mger Mkrtchian
Byron Mitchell
Tocker Pudwill
Miguel Ángel Jiménez
Charles Brewer
Will McIntyre
Mario Veit
Omar Sheika
David Starie .
Rick Thornberry
Juan Carlos Gimenez
Branko Sobot

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Apparently Calzaghe is not "Motivated" to face Hopkins after taking a dodgy SD againsta 43 year old, but he was very motivated for staying 10 whole years in the mediocre division, facing nothing but mediocre fighters

Its true, credit to joe for beating lacy, he was up against it in that one. But its rediculous, he can give mario veit a rematch but he wont even give hopkins a rematch in his own backyard, after hops gave him the shot in the 1st place?

He can get motivated for Peter manfredo and Evans Ashira, but he cant get motivated for Chad dawson, who he says "Is never going to get a fight with me".

Then you have froch who says

"Taylor first, then i want a kessler or bute next to unify the titles"

Its obvious which one is taking the bigger risks right now.

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Thats it, very simple, Froch isnt Keeping his belt demanding the best come to nottingham to fight him.

Its simple, in the ring, calzaghe would more than likely beat froch.

But froch seems like the guy who is willing to take more risks. People say calzaghe is a different stratosphere, these are his WBO defences, barring a few names, how many top fighters today would struggle with these greats?

Mikkel Kessler
Sakio Bika
Jeff Lacy
Evans Ashira

Kabary Salem
Mger Mkrtchian
Byron Mitchell - Top 5 SMW
Tocker Pudwill - Last minute replacement for a top 5 SMW
Miguel Ángel Jiménez
Charles Brewer - Top 5 SMW
Will McIntyre
Mario Veit
Omar Sheika - Beat Johnson the fight before
David Starie .
Rick Thornberry
Juan Carlos Gimenez
Branko Sobot

just wanted to clear a couple up there.

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just wanted to clear a couple up there.

No problem, now how many top fighters do you think would have struggled with those names? Short of reid, Kessler and Lacy, im not sure..

If carl froch won that wbc, then defended it against Branko sobot, can you imagine the lashing he would get from the calzaghe cub scouts?

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No problem, now how many top fighters do you think would have struggled with those names? Short of reid, Kessler and Lacy, im not sure..

If carl froch won that wbc, then defended it against Branko sobot, can you imagine the lashing he would get from the calzaghe cub scouts?

I think that giving fighters grief when they are fighting top 5 in their division is pretty appauling and a comparison between Carl froch and Joe Calzaghe is laughable.

Carl is 32, Joe was 25 when he beat Eubank (which is by a massive margin better than anything Froch has achived)

By Age 32 Calzaghe had 15 defences including 5 against top 5 division opposition.

This thread has turned into a Calzaghe hater wankfest and is purely there so you can pat yourself on the back and repeat arguements you have all been making for 5 years.

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I think that giving fighters grief when they are fighting top 5 in their division is pretty appauling and a comparison between Carl froch and Joe Calzaghe is laughable.

Carl is 32, Joe was 25 when he beat Eubank (which is by a massive margin better than anything Froch has achived)

By Age 32 Calzaghe had 15 defences including 5 against top 5 division opposition.

This thread has turned into a Calzaghe hater wankfest and is purely there so you can pat yourself on the back and repeat arguements you have all been making for 5 years.

So you couldnt answer the question.

Ermm Who gives a f.uck, the comparisions im making about froch and calzaghe are about 1st defences.

All Im saying is, froch is taking more risks at this stage of this career, than Calzaghe was when he was at this stage, which is a fact, because one defended their title 1st time against branko sobot and the other is going to the states to fight a guy who has 2 decisions over bernard hopkins. Notice that Taylor is possibly a better fighter than about 80% of the fighters calzaghe fought his entire career.

I have also given Calzaghe credit for wins a over lacy and said he would beat froch, hardly the words of a hater mate.

Cry me a river you soppy **** rag.

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Froch fought one of the WBC challengers, won and is now defending his belt against world class right away. Who did Joe calzaghe defend his WBO belt against when he won it, wasnt it the legendary Branko Sobot?

Why doesnt calzaghe fight some top opposition right now, like Hopkins and dawson, he beat Mario Veit in one round and gave him a rematch, surely he can give hop one too, then fight dawson. Oh yeah, there's no fights out there for him, cos he beat roy jones and hopkins in their primes right, boxing is dying right, Dawson isnt a big name right cos he's not a massive star like peter manfredo.

Typical Calzaghe cum queens, rather than supporting a guy looking to fight world class asap, they find reasons to slate him because he wants to fight their daddy.

Hark at the Boxrec queen. Calzaghe was 25 when he fought Sobot. Froch waited until his 30's before fighting a top 10 fighter. As for Veit - blame the WBO. In fairness, you wouldn't have the likes of Hopkins fighting some no-mark two or three times eh ...

Why has Calzaghe retired? I don't know. He says he hasn't got the desire any more and if that's true then he's better off retired - a boxing ring is no place for someone who's solely fighting to enhance his already overflowing bank balance. I'd love him to fight Dawson but it ain't going to happen - all about money these days and he just doesn't bring any. A sad state of affairs but it's the world we live in.

I like Froch but he's a **** who's called out Calzaghe for years from the safety net of never having a cat in hell's chance of stumping up the profile or cash to bring that fight to fruition. Plus he wasted his best years fighting absolute no marks who wouldn't even stand up to a Pudwill, Sobot or McIntyre let alone a Mitchell, Brewer, Eubank or Kessler.