Is the heavyweight division an embarrassment to boxing?

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  • BOSSHOGG
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    #11
    This why the need to put a cap on the HW division....To be a HW you will need to come down to the max limit 240lb .This will get them big boys in shape. Those natural big superHW can have their division. Or lose weight if so to fight in the HW. Now its a shame. And boring...we dont have that exciting draw anymore like this........

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    • Pullcounter
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      #12
      hw division is a joke

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      • Ben_London.
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        #13
        Originally posted by Pullcounter
        hw division is a joke in the US, but it's doing okay in Europe
        I fixed it for you.

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        • demirturk
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          #14
          body type isnt : succes.... see mma's fedor emelianenko. muhamed ali wasnt the most ripped fighter ever , george foreman was a fatass when he ko'd moorer...

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          • Ben_London.
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            #15
            Originally posted by demirturk
            body type isnt : succes.... see mma's fedor emelianenko. muhamed ali wasnt the most ripped fighter ever , george foreman was a fatass when he ko'd moorer...
            I agree there are exceptions, but carrying around a spare tire usually affects a boxer's stamina, and slows a fighter down. For some people like Fedor it's natural and healthy, but for others like Chambers and Peter its the result of poor physical conditioning.

            On Friday, Peter seemed to tire whenever he put together a combination of punches.

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            • paul750
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              #16
              Originally posted by demirturk
              body type isnt : succes.... see mma's fedor emelianenko. muhamed ali wasnt the most ripped fighter ever , george foreman was a fatass when he ko'd moorer...
              Being a conditioned fighter is very important. Carrying an extra 20lbs and not being as fit as possible limits your potential in the ring and is unprofessional. Ali was always in good condition ready to go 15 rounds. Foreman was indeed rather large, but he was beaten fairly easily by a young Holyfield in very good condition. Fedor is not a boxer. He obviously trains his body for a lot of different things. The bottom line is that these guys need to be in better shape.

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              • Benny Leonard
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                #17
                A lot of them just don't have skills. Forget being fat, they don't have the skills as boxers.

                Toney is fat and can come in unmotivated and poorly trained but he still has a great foundation as a fighter. How many of the current crop of HWs have a good foundation?

                Foreman put on a few pounds in his comeback but he still had a foundation and could go the distance.

                Even the fighters in the 80's, many had a proper foundation. Their problem was inactivity and other bad habits (which many associate with King even thought the blame is around the table).

                90's had some good HWs.

                50's lacked as well but even though a lot were blown up middleweights and LHs, they still had a proper foundation and could give a decent performance even though they were older fighters.
                Last edited by Benny Leonard; 03-29-2009, 03:18 PM.

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                • paul750
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Benny Leonard
                  A lot of them just don't have skills. Forget being fat, they don't have the skills as boxers.

                  Toney is fat and can come in unmotivated and poorly trained but he still has a great foundation as a fighter. How many of the current crop of HWs have a good foundation?

                  Foreman put on a few pounds in his comeback but he still had a foundation and could go the distance.

                  Even the fighters in the 80's, many had a proper foundation. Their problem was inactivity and other bad habits (which many associate with King even thought the blame is around the table).

                  90's had some good HWs.

                  50's lacked as well but even though a lot were blown up middleweights and LHs, they still had a proper foundation and could give a decent performance even though they were older fighters.
                  A lot of them are not skilled, but would it still not be a lot better if they came in good shape and put on better performances? What about the philosophy of ''a really great fight between two ham-and-eggers''? Are we saying we'd rather watch a boring fight between two skilled men rather than an exciting one involving two fit athletes? That seems to be what I'm getting at the moment.

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                  • Derranged_
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                    #19
                    My biggest complaint about the hw division now is the lack of competitive fights. I'm a fan of the Klitschkos but I don't particularly enjoy watching one dominant performance after another. I'd like to see either Klitschko pushed to the brink by a hungry opponent before pulling off the victory....

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                    • -MAKAVELLI-
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                      #20
                      the division is a joke


                      and im not talkin about US boxing, the whole division is embarrasing...

                      when you've got the klits who pretty much tower over all their outmatched opponents, sitting there putting on jab-n-clinch clinics, it not worth the time



                      a HW fight is not a fight i would EVER use to convince the casual fan to follow the sport...****, if there was ONLY the HW division, i dont think i would be a fan of the sport anymore

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