The Lewis Era vs. The Klitschko Era

[ßringer]

what reason would Lennox have not to fight this theoretical clone of himself? the klitschkos won't fight because they are brothers, and while that's unfortunate I think it's understandable.

Let's say they were brothers as well.

Would Lennox still be awarded his ATG status?

[Milkyway12]

Let's say they were brothers as well.

Would Lennox still be awarded his ATG status?

Stop comparing Lennox to the Klit sisters.

The Klits are Garbage!

[MonsieurGeorges]

Well like you said at the beginning, Lennox's reputation is definitely one that grew over time after retirement and is based largely on his style and ability to move and box so well for a big man. He may not have fought alot of other ATGs but you watch his fights and start to think "wow, this guy would've been a force in any era." All respect to Lewis though, he did fight the best guys of his time. So yeah, I'de say he would still have ATG status because he would still have that same style.
I'm just kind of confused with this concept of 2 Lennox Lewis' because so much of it is hypothetical. What if his "brother" had beat different guys, never lost to Mccall/Rahman, you know? I get what your saying though, just kind of confusing

[Left Hook Tua]

past prime great fighters like tyson and holyfield > past prime mediocre fighters like rahman

[J.B.moneY.]

well i dont know...i dont like the klit bros....but i think lewis had better competition in his era than waht the klits have....thats there main problem is they face just bad competition.

[Bushbaby]

Why is it not fair to compare their eras? If you follow this sport, comparing eras is one of the more discussed debates.

I'm also of the opinion that Vitali would've been competitive in any era. Wlad on the other hand.....not so much.

The damn near 4 year layoff has really hampered Vitali's status, and has him relegated to "near great" status as I see it. Had he been active the entire time, the result could've been different.

Also, Tyson was nothing but a big name, and a spent foce during the 90's. He pretty much fell off after Douglas, he had some decent wins, but nothing to rave over. And Holyfield pretty much crushed any chances Mike had of re-establishing himself in the division.

Foreman was a name, and had some damn good fights during that period, but he was older than dirt.

And I wouldn't rank Moorer as a household name either. He was a much bigger force at Light Heavyweight than he was at Heavyweight.

U R right for the most part,my point,simply put,is that while they may have been old or not,there were still bigger names at heavyweight,in Lewis's era,more so than in the brothers era,but luckily we can both agree Vitali would be competitive in any era!!

[ßringer]

Stop comparing Lennox to the Klit sisters.

The Klits are Garbage!

The good part about my question is that you can take it multiple ways :

You can take it to mean that the Klitschko's are being given a "pass" on the issue. And that Lennox wouldn't have been looked upon so highly had it happened in his era.

OR

You can take it to mean that the Klitschkos will eventaully be rewarded in time, as Lennox was, with respect by experts and fans alike.

I make no pick as to which choice I believe. It's up to each individual who reads this thread to come to their own conclusion.

I'm merely pointing it out.

[ßringer]

Well like you said at the beginning, Lennox's reputation is definitely one that grew over time after retirement and is based largely on his style and ability to move and box so well for a big man. He may not have fought alot of other ATGs but you watch his fights and start to think "wow, this guy would've been a force in any era." All respect to Lewis though, he did fight the best guys of his time. So yeah, I'de say he would still have ATG status because he would still have that same style.
I'm just kind of confused with this concept of 2 Lennox Lewis' because so much of it is hypothetical. What if his "brother" had beat different guys, never lost to Mccall/Rahman, you know? I get what your saying though, just kind of confusing

Fair enough.

Another way to look at it would be this :

Given the nature of some of their lackluster opposition, I think it's fair to say that if you combine both Wlad and Vitali's career records, you'd basically equal one Lennox career record.

Do you think that's fair?

[ßringer]

Fair enough.

Another way to look at it would be this :

Given the nature of some of their lackluster opposition, I think it's fair to say that if you combine both Wlad and Vitali's career records, you'd basically equal one Lennox career record.

Do you think that's fair?

Now, take Lewis' career record, and divide it in half.

Give half to Lennox, and half to his imaginary clone, Lennox 2.0

Is Lennox then, still an ATG?

Or is Lennox 2.0 an ATG instead?

Or do both fall dramatically short.

That's my point.

[MonsieurGeorges]

Now, take Lewis' career record, and divide it in half.

Give half to Lennox, and half to his imaginary clone, Lennox 2.0

Is Lennox then, still an ATG?

Or is Lennox 2.0 an ATG instead?

Or do both fall dramatically short.

That's my point.

In that sense I guess you could make a strong argument that Lennox would lose his ATG status, but I personally still rate him that high because of his style and effectiveness as a big man. It's just hard to say that he couldn't be competitive in any era because of his combination of boxing skills and raw physicality.

You make a very interesting point though. Perhaps if Wladimir had been a ping-pong champion and the boxing world only knew Vitali we would sing his praises more often