A Spoiled Floyd Mayweather Jr. Hurt Boxing

[Fox McCloud]

its the other way around. Stylistically, the fight should be close on paper. Brawlers will have more issues with Technical fighters and technical fighters will have more issues with other technical fighters.

JMM vs Casamayor is a good example. A lot of people felt that JMM was going to win easily because of Casa's boxing age, but as any hardcore fan knew, stylistically, the fight would be close. A fight between 2 thinkers will always be close.

When we talk about size, we should talk about amount of fights fought in or around the weight class agreed upon.

How many fights has JMM had at 140, 147 vs. Floyd? The body becomes condition to move at the weights depending on the amount of fights at that weight. Floyd fought comfortably at 154 against DLH. Marquez showed some decrease in ability at 135. That would only increase at 140 and 147.

Even though this would be a fight between thinkers as i put it, the physical advantages would be too move for JMM to over come. Where as Manny Pac's physical attributes and athletic ability compensate for his lack of boxing smarts even though he's shown VAST improvement in that area.

If Floyd REALLY wants to fight JMM for legacy, why not fight at 135?

Just seems like IF Floyd is really interested in JMM, he just wants another easy fight that history might glorify on paper.

He probably can't get down to 135 now that he has been bulked for so long.

JMM might be threatening at these weights... we'll see, for now he is unproven.

Man, can you imagine if Floyd was just a two division fighter at this point, had taken on the best those divisions had to offer and was undefeated?

Genaro Hernandez
Diego Corrales
Carlos Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Jose Luis Castillo
Acelino Freitas
Joel Casamayor
Juan Lazcano
Juan Diaz
Nate Campbell
Manny Pacquiao
Juan Manuel Marquez
Julio Diaz
David Diaz

HOLY ****.

A lot of if's when it comes to winning all those fights though for sure.

[El Dominicano]

its the other way around. Stylistically, the fight should be close on paper. Brawlers will have more issues with Technical fighters and technical fighters will have more issues with other technical fighters.

JMM vs Casamayor is a good example. A lot of people felt that JMM was going to win easily because of Casa's boxing age, but as any hardcore fan knew, stylistically, the fight would be close. A fight between 2 thinkers will always be close.

When we talk about size, we should talk about amount of fights fought in or around the weight class agreed upon.

How many fights has JMM had at 140, 147 vs. Floyd? The body becomes condition to move at the weights depending on the amount of fights at that weight. Floyd fought comfortably at 154 against DLH. Marquez showed some decrease in ability at 135. That would only increase at 140 and 147.

Even though this would be a fight between thinkers as i put it, the physical advantages would be too move for JMM to over come. Where as Manny Pac's physical attributes and athletic ability compensate for his lack of boxing smarts even though he's shown VAST improvement in that area.

If Floyd REALLY wants to fight JMM for legacy, why not fight at 135?

Just seems like IF Floyd is really interested in JMM, he just wants another easy fight that history might glorify on paper.

As for the bold, not a good idea. I think he'd get the same respect beating him at a catch weight of 143/144. I'd say it'd be a pretty good win, nothing more then that

[2501 v2.0]

As for the bold, not a good idea. I think he'd get the same respect beating him at a catch weight of 143/144. I'd say it'd be a pretty good win, nothing more then that

We're talking like this **** is really gonna happen. I doubt it. But if it does, JMM should fight Nate Campbell at 140, see how that goes. If he can decisively beat campbell at that weight, then I see no issue taking Mayweather on at 140.

I guess I just need to see how well he does with the extra weight. I've seen this guy in person. He has a small frame. His skeletal structure wasn't designed for more weight, but **** it.

[javelin_fangs]

So you're saying Floyd has taken as many risks as Marvin Hagler did in his career?

Well, no I never said that at all. But since you're asking, what do you consider a risk? And at what point is it fair to criticize someone for refusing to take short money?

I don't blame Hagler for the fights he fought, but Hagler mostly just fought b level fighters in New England or guys coming up from lower weight classes. He really only had a handful of fights against Hall of Fame calibre fighters. I mean other than Antuofermo and Mugabi how many great 160 lb fighters did he fight?

Then I guess the next question is who did Mugabi beat after losing to Hagler? The answer really is no one. So, I'm not going to hate on Hagler. I give him credit as one of the top 10 160 lb fighters in history, but a lot of that is built up on a blue collar reputation and beating great smaller fighters. But I'm willing to let you prove me wrong. I just don't see why you even asked that question.

[El Dominicano]

We're talking like this **** is really gonna happen. I doubt it. But if it does, JMM should fight Nate Campbell at 140, see how that goes. If he can decisively beat campbell at that weight, then I see no issue taking Mayweather on at 140.

I guess I just need to see how well he does with the extra weight. I've seen this guy in person. He has a small frame. His skeletal structure wasn't designed for more weight, but **** it.

Nate ain't a easy opponent and is a really good body puncher. Should be a good fight to watch but JMM ain't fighting Nate, just like Hatton ain't fighting Holt vs Bradley winner...JMM is going for the big money fights

[javelin_fangs]

We're talking like this **** is really gonna happen. I doubt it. But if it does, JMM should fight Nate Campbell at 140, see how that goes. If he can decisively beat campbell at that weight, then I see no issue taking Mayweather on at 140.

I guess I just need to see how well he does with the extra weight. I've seen this guy in person. He has a small frame. His skeletal structure wasn't designed for more weight, but **** it.

At the end of the day though 2501, fighters fight. And as much as we fans can pretend that we aren't interested in certain fights without the proper buildup to them, we will watch. If (and yes I'm aware that its a big IF for many different reasons) Mayweather-Marquez were to happen I'd bet any amount of money that you'll be an interested observer, which is one reason why this fight may happen. It's the type of fight people will definitely watch.

[2501 v2.0]

Well, no I never said that at all. But since you're asking, what do you consider a risk? And at what point is it fair to criticize someone for refusing to take short money?

I don't blame Hagler for the fights he fought, but Hagler mostly just fought b level fighters in New England or guys coming up from lower weight classes. He really only had a handful of fights against Hall of Fame calibre fighters. I mean other than Antuofermo and Mugabi how many great 160 lb fighters did he fight?

Then I guess the next question is who did Mugabi beat after losing to Hagler? The answer really is no one. So, I'm not going to hate on Hagler. I give him credit as one of the top 10 160 lb fighters in history, but a lot of that is built up on a blue collar reputation and beating great smaller fighters. But I'm willing to let you prove me wrong. I just don't see why you even asked that question.

think about this..

Since beating Judah, Floyd when on to fighting

Baldomir (everyone knew it would be an easy win)
DLH (everyone knew it would be an easy win)
Hatton (everyone knew Floyd would win)

And now JMM?

Thats why I asked. The pattern is more than developed. Floyd's pre WW resume is great with good wins against capable fighters, but after that, its pretty obvious that his method of choosing opponents became more than calculated.

If Floyd were to actually challenge himself, fight some good WW's, then fight someone like JMM would be no issue, but with a career ending with fights that aren't challenges or at least the type of fight that GIVE his fans the right to come on this website and post the tripe that they do, I see no point in it.

But thats just my 2 cents. You can spend them however you want.

[2501 v2.0]

At the end of the day though 2501, fighters fight. And as much as we fans can pretend that we aren't interested in certain fights without the proper buildup to them, we will watch. If (and yes I'm aware that its a big IF for many different reasons) Mayweather-Marquez were to happen I'd bet any amount of money that you'll be an interested observer, which is one reason why this fight may happen. It's the type of fight people will definitely watch.

of course I would watch. Marquez is my dude (no ****). I buy all PPV's because I love the sport. But I have an opinion as well and I dont think its too biased or warped.

[Vladimir303]

Thats what Ive been saying,

Mayweather vs. Baldomir and Mayweather vs. De La Hoya did more damage to boxing than good. Thats why Floyd is universally considered "boring" by casual fans. Thats why MMA stans use Floyd as an example of how "boring boxing is".

It doesnt matter if WE appreciate his style because we're hardcore fans because we don't keep the sport in the mainstream, casual fans are the reasons fights are on PPV and when you promise an all action fight with a climatic ending and you step in the ring and do absolutely the opposite, then you got a lot of pissed off customer who aren't satisfied with their service.

Proof of this was the 1.7 million peolple that DIDNT buy Hatton/Mayweather. Fights like Hopkins/Wright and Mayweather/De La Hoya/Baldomir shouldn't be PPV fights.

Actually the writer wasn't talking about Floyd's boring fighting style, you must've misunderstood.

He was talking about his premature retirement and that he was close to becoming one of the all-time greatest if he had only stuck around fought 4 or 4 more big fights.

Nice try though.

[javelin_fangs]

think about this..

Since beating Judah, Floyd when on to fighting

Baldomir (everyone knew it would be an easy win)
DLH (everyone knew it would be an easy win)
Hatton (everyone knew Floyd would win)

And now JMM?

Thats why I asked. The pattern is more than developed. Floyd's pre WW resume is great with good wins against capable fighters, but after that, its pretty obvious that his method of choosing opponents became more than calculated.

If Floyd were to actually challenge himself, fight some good WW's, then fight someone like JMM would be no issue, but with a career ending with fights that aren't challenges or at least the type of fight that GIVE his fans the right to come on this website and post the tripe that they do, I see no point in it.

But thats just my 2 cents. You can spend them however you want.

Look, you're very critical of any positive statements made about Mayweather, which is your prerogative. But if you're going to scrutinize every detail about Mayweather's opponents, don't you think it's fair to consider them in the context of what other great fighters have done?

So, for example, you implied that Mayweather has not taken as many risks as Hagler. But can you name bigger riskier fights that Hagler actually took? I seriously doubt that you can because the fact is that Hagler did not fight many great fighters. He spent most of his career fighting B level fighters while waiting for the likes of Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran and Tommy Hearns to come up in weight and agree to favorable terms for Hagler.

I'd be willing to bet that if Hagler were to fight today, many of the people on this board's views of him would be more in line with their views of Winky Wright. That's just my two cents though. And I'd really appreciate you making an attempt to proving me wrong if you're going to insinuate that I'm wrong rather than just relying on a sarcastic insinuation that you are right without providing any proof that what I'm writing is false.