A Spoiled Floyd Mayweather Jr. Hurt Boxing

[Fox McCloud]

On the real, the 1st PPV I saw was DLH vs Tito and I didn't stick around for a year or 2, can't remember correctly. So you make a good point

I have the gift...

My first match ever was Jones Jr./Hopkins and I stuck around.

Fight Night Round 3 really worked wonders for my dedication to giving the sport a try.

[el malo]

Some really good points made in this thread, especially by 2501 and that **** I hate with the coloured font.

yeah they are owning this thread.

[El Dominicano]

I have the gift...

My first match ever was Jones Jr./Hopkins and I stuck around.

Fight Night Round 3 really worked wonders for my dedication to giving the sport a try.

Lmao

[2501 v2.0]

Nah man, I'm getting you

Just askin, do you see a problem with Mayweather fighting a JMM or Pac?

Pac no. Pac is a freak of nature. he's proven he can fight at 140 and 147. he's fast, a southpaw and strong. His speed and newly developed boxing skills can give floyd problems. You can quote me too, save it in your sig.

I, 2501, would give Floyd total credit for just fighting Pacquiao. Even more if he were to beat him.

As far as JMM, no. We're talking about a natural Featherweight. JMM was a SMALL ass lightweight. he would be a tiny JR. WW. Imagine at WW?

If Floyd wants him as a tune up, then fine. But I dont see why he should get legacy credit for beating JMM. At the same time, if JMM wants a piece and loses, it HAS to affect him. There is no excuse when the fighter is willing right? I would move him down the P4P list.

[El Dominicano]

yeah they are owning this thread.

This ain't a shooter online game and no one is debating, we all understand that Floyd said he was gonna do so and so but didn't do it

[javelin_fangs]

Pac no. Pac is a freak of nature. he's proven he can fight at 140 and 147. he's fast, a southpaw and strong. His speed and newly developed boxing skills can give floyd problems. You can quote me too, save it in your sig.

I, 2501, would give Floyd total credit for just fighting Pacquiao. Even more if he were to beat him.

As far as JMM, no. We're talking about a natural Featherweight. JMM was a SMALL ass lightweight. he would be a tiny JR. WW. Imagine at WW?

If Floyd wants him as a tune up, then fine. But I dont see why he should get legacy credit for beating JMM. At the same time, if JMM wants a piece and loses, it HAS to affect him. There is no excuse when the fighter is willing right? I would move him down the P4P list.

Do you give Marvin Hagler credit for beating Roberto Duran? Do you give Bernard Hopkins credit for beating DLH? Do you give Joe Frazier and Muhammad Ali credit for beating Bob Foster? Do you give George Foreman credit for beating Michael Moorer?

Look, I got you. You're saying that Mayweather should beat Marquez and I agree that he should. But when a great fighter beats another great fighter while they're still fighting at the championship level they get credit for doing so regardless of any size difference. This is true throughout the history of the sport.

[Da Hammer]

When your starting to become one of boxings or any other sports biggest names people are gonna start asking more of you whether its fair or not. Floyd had the chance to become a big figure in the US mainstream but he failed to impress the casual fan with his big talk but little action. Not to mention avoiding the big fights in the division that a lot people have been asking for a couple years now! What pisses me off about that is that Floyd was selfish when he could have made boxing a big deal here in the US again. No one questions floyds skills because God knows he is one of the most talented boxers in the history of boxing but most of us question his heart which is the real problem and his lack of heart hurt not only himself as far as legacy goes but it hurt the popularity of boxing!

[2501 v2.0]

Do you give Marvin Hagler credit for beating Roberto Duran? Do you give Bernard Hopkins credit for beating DLH? Do you give Joe Frazier and Muhammad Ali credit for beating Bob Foster? Do you give George Foreman credit for beating Michael Moorer?

Look, I got you. You're saying that Mayweather should beat Marquez and I agree that he should. But when a great fighter beats another great fighter while they're still fighting at the championship level they get credit for doing so regardless of any size difference. This is true throughout the history of the sport.

So you're saying Floyd has taken as many risks as Marvin Hagler did in his career?

[El Dominicano]

So you're saying Floyd has taken as many risks as Marvin Hagler did in his career?

No Mayweather didn't. I'm sure he is saying, in the past people got credit for defeating smaller opponents ANYWAY I'm sure you understand what he meant but let me say this

The size difference between JMM and Mayweather isn't that big NOW style wise, it is a mismatch

[2501 v2.0]

The size difference between JMM and Mayweather isn't that big NOW style wise, it is a mismatch

its the other way around. Stylistically, the fight should be close on paper. Brawlers will have more issues with Technical fighters and technical fighters will have more issues with other technical fighters.

JMM vs Casamayor is a good example. A lot of people felt that JMM was going to win easily because of Casa's boxing age, but as any hardcore fan knew, stylistically, the fight would be close. A fight between 2 thinkers will always be close.

When we talk about size, we should talk about amount of fights fought in or around the weight class agreed upon.

How many fights has JMM had at 140, 147 vs. Floyd? The body becomes condition to move at the weights depending on the amount of fights at that weight. Floyd fought comfortably at 154 against DLH. Marquez showed some decrease in ability at 135. That would only increase at 140 and 147.

Even though this would be a fight between thinkers as i put it, the physical advantages would be too move for JMM to over come. Where as Manny Pac's physical attributes and athletic ability compensate for his lack of boxing smarts even though he's shown VAST improvement in that area.

If Floyd REALLY wants to fight JMM for legacy, why not fight at 135?

Just seems like IF Floyd is really interested in JMM, he just wants another easy fight that history might glorify on paper.