The HeavyWeight Myth..

[mathed]

That's because you don't know very much about the heavyweight division.

There's about 20 good heavyweights coming up in Europe, people like Dimitrenko, Povetkin, Boytsov, Kretschmann, Pala, Wawrzyk, etc.

The heavyweight divisions has LOTS of talent in Europe. But, the reality is there are only ONE or TWO decent heavyweights under age 30 in the US - in fact, perhaps the only one is Arreola.

And you know about these guys and a lot of Americans don't. We don't really have access to European fights when obviously you do. Maybe you could point us in the right direction to gain insight to these guys.

[Steak]

Man The Heavyweight Division is at an all time low..

Bunch of fat Nobodies with no talent..

Now in the 70's.. that where the Real golden Era was right??

I mean you had guys Like Chuck Wepner in the top 10 for over 3 years..

Wepner is most famous for Knocking down Ali with one of the 7 punches he landed over 15 rounds.. (I am not kidding BTW.. he landed about 7 punches over 15 rounds)
Chuck Wepner was 30-9-2 when he fought Ali and he had a Top 10 ranking.. he landed 7 punches in a championship fight..

When he fought Ali.. he had already been KO'd by Sonny Liston, George Foreman,Joe Bunger and to an 11-1-1 Jerry Judge..

This Man was TOP 10 ranked for years...

I present to you the top 10 Ring magazine rankings for 1973

1973
Champ- George Foreman
1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Frazier
3. Ken Norton
4. Jerry Quarry
5. Ron Lyle
6. Earnie Shavers
7. Oscar Bonavena
8. Joe Bugner
9. Jimmy Ellis
10.Chuck Wepner

The top 5 certainly looks impressive enough
Who are these ATG from 6-10???


How about 1976??

1976
Champ- Muhammad Ali
1. George Foreman
2. Ken Norton
3. Jimmy Young
4. Duane Bobick
5. Ron Lyle
6. Larry Holmes
7. Howard Smith
8. Johnny Boudreaux
9. Stan Ward
10.Joe Bugner

haha, so are you trying to call Oscar Bonavena, Shavers, Ellis and Bugner nobodies? you might want to watch some footage of them. just maybe. Bonavena would have beaten everyone other than the Klitschko brothers, easily.
Wepner wasnt all that great, but he would still be top ten today.

the HW division started to go downhill after a certain point, when all the old greats were falling apart.

[Guest]

I like the idea of the thread. The difference I see today is that you don't have the Ali-Frazier thriller type fights, or even the 90's Bowe-Holyfield affairs or even something like Tua-Ibeabuchi.

I don't know if it's just that the Klitschko's are that much better than everyone else. Sure as hell seems like guys don't try to or can't go to war with them.

What is missing is the rivalry equally matched fights that created a buzz.

Klitschko-Gomez or Klitschko-Rahman hardly causes anybody to stir whereas two equally matched guys provide excitement and thrilling fights.

There's always been bad fights, but at least before we had some great match ups.

Today it seems like we are devoid of them.

[mathed]

I like the idea of the thread. The difference I see today is that you don't have the Ali-Frazier thriller type fights, or even the 90's Bowe-Holyfield affairs or even something like Tua-Ibeabuchi.

I don't know if it's just that the Klitschko's are that much better than everyone else. Sure as hell seems like guys don't try to or can't go to war with them.

What is missing is the rivalry equally matched fights that created a buzz.

Klitschko-Gomez or Klitschko-Rahman hardly causes anybody to stir whereas two equally matched guys provide excitement and thrilling fights.

There's always been bad fights, but at least before we had some great match ups.

Today it seems like we are devoid of them.

Exactly, I hate to bash the K-giants but it seems like people give up in the ring or don't really want to fight them. No action in the championship bouts is killing the heavyweight division!!

Green K for you my friend!!

[Greatwhitehope]

How about 1976??
1973
Champ- George Foreman
1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Frazier
3. Ken Norton
4. Jerry Quarry
5. Ron Lyle
6. Earnie Shavers
7. Oscar Bonavena
8. Joe Bugner
9. Jimmy Ellis
10.Chuck Wepner

The top 5 certainly looks impressive enough
Who are these ATG from 6-10???


How about 1976??

1976
Champ- Muhammad Ali
1. George Foreman
2. Ken Norton
3. Jimmy Young
4. Duane Bobick
5. Ron Lyle
6. Larry Holmes
7. Howard Smith
8. Johnny Boudreaux
9. Stan Ward
10.Joe Bugner



Now Tell me A Klitschko couldn't compete.. Tell me Lamon Brewster couldn't compete..

A Klitschko couldn't compete, a Lamon Brewster couldn't compete. At best they'd be fighting it out with the 5-10. Also Larry Holmes isn't a nobody.

I can't see how there are any current heavyweights that are anywhere near Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Norton, Holmes or even Shavers to an extent.

[The Hammer]

And you know about these guys and a lot of Americans don't. We don't really have access to European fights when obviously you do. Maybe you could point us in the right direction to gain insight to these guys.

You can download their fights from the internet.

The best place is here (if you go through the pages you'll find LOTS of their fights):

http://allboxing.ru/forum/index.php?...opic=4257.4640

There's also lots of fights here, although it takes forever to download them:

http://pump.giala.ee/

[TEDetc]

Did the OP really call Holmes a nobody?

[The Hammer]

haha, so are you trying to call Oscar Bonavena, Shavers, Ellis and Bugner nobodies? you might want to watch some footage of them. just maybe. Bonavena would have beaten everyone other than the Klitschko brothers, easily.
Wepner wasnt all that great, but he would still be top ten today.

the HW division started to go downhill after a certain point, when all the old greats were falling apart.

You sound like an old man:

"back in MY day..."

[mathed]

You can download their fights from the internet.

The best place is here (if you go through the pages you'll find LOTS of their fights):

http://allboxing.ru/forum/index.php?...opic=4257.4640

There's also lots of fights here, although it takes forever to download them:

http://pump.giala.ee/

cool thanks, I admit I know almost nothing of European boxers I want to educate myself a bit

[Welter_Skelter]

Did the OP really call Holmes a nobody?

No I called Chuck wepner a nobody... Larry Holmes was the future.. and a lucky man to have face all that awesome talent in the 80's.. Reminds me so much of the situation poor Wlad is in..