If you beat De La Hoya, history remembers you favorably if not...

[Eric Holder]

I've noticed this also

[KILLA RIGHT]

Bottom line is that DLH never beat anyone good in their prime. He lost every major fight against his best opponents.

exactly thats why he's not a atg. He was a good fighter but his name made him more then anything. If his name was Dawson they would of never put his statue outside the staple center

[strugler]

ATG gatekeeper who made a fortune....not too bad

[F l i c k e r]

exactly thats why he's not a atg. He was a good fighter but his name made him more then anything. If his name was Dawson they would of never put his statue outside the staple center

Just image 1000 years from now when America civilization is long gone. Whoever roams the planet will believed we worshiped him in a large gathering inside the staple center.....

[dans]

It would seem like that is the case, however, if you take each fighter individually your statement is not 100% on point.

I think that no one can actually say Gatti is an underachiever. That word means "not living up to your potential", and IMO Gatti more than lived up to his potential. He was never a very talented fighter, but his heart and toughness took him pretty far.

Quartey beat Oscar in most people's eyes. After feeling robbed, he became depressed, didn't fight for a year, and went up to 154 to lose to a red-hot Vargas. There's no way of knowing how history would've been if he had been awarded the decision. But you're actually right on this one, because whether he deserved the nod or not, he has an L vs. Oscar, and this caused him to "underachieve", as he was seen as a fighter with huge talent and potential.

Vargas is definitely an underachiever. He beat Winky and Quartey before the age of 22 and was therefore considered to have the potential to be a very special fighter. However, I believ the loss to Tito, injuries, and steroids ruined him, not the loss to Oscar.

Mayorga's case is similar to Gatti's and Varga's to me. Similar to Gatti in that he didn't have that much talent to begin with, yet got pretty far in the sport (by beating Forrest), and similar to Vargas in that the loss to Tito ruined him. He had 2 weeks to train for this fight, and went from 147 to 160, so this combined with the beating took definitely softened him up for Oscar.

They're not all underachievers, you're right, I noted above that the one's he beat will not be remembered as favorably as the ones who beat him. I think that still holds true. Even in the case of Quartey where he probably lost, it's the opposite of the case of Trinidad, but the results reflect my theory. Even though the results may not have been the right one, Quartey was the underachiever while Trinidad was not. It's just interesting to me.

[IMDAZED]

All this tells me is that Oscar was better than a lot of good fighters but worse than the great ones.

[street bully]

Oscar's looks got him to where he is!

Just kidding.

But they didn't hurt...

Your right TBH. If Oscar looked like Azuma Nelson with all his losses I bet you he would A) Never had gotten all these big fights with all these PPV buys. B) Would have lost to Quartey (Quartey won that fight no matter what anyone tells me), and would have probably dropped a decision to Whitaker as well.

[street bully]

exactly thats why he's not a atg. He was a good fighter but his name made him more then anything. If his name was Dawson they would of never put his statue outside the staple center

How did his name get him anything? It's not like De La Hoya is a name you hear everyday, but if you mean his appeal to an audience who never watch boxing such as young girls and older women then yes you are right.

[Libido Sanchez]

Just image 1000 years from now when America civilization is long gone. Whoever roams the planet will believed we worshiped him in a large gathering inside the staple center.....

Ha ha. Him and Rocky Balboa will go down as the greatest that ever lived.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

you probably underachieved. Take a look at who DLH fought in his career and see if you agree with me. My theory is that over the course of DLH's career he fought many great fighters, but only those who for the most part "filled their potential" or the one's that are remembered favorably, were the one's that beat him. Take a look and tell me what you think.
NOTE: I excluded Chavez and Whitaker because they were both past it.

Wins: Quartey, Carr, Gatti, Castillejo, Vargas, Sturm, Mayorga
Losses: Trinidad, Mosley, Hopkins, Mayweather, Pacquiao

So am I crazy?

Have to dissagree with you on that one.

First off, DLH had some very good wins early on in his career that you didn't mention. He beat John John Molina, and Chicanito Hernandez when they were in their prime and he was still very young.

Also, while you could say Quartey beat him (it was a very close fight) you could also say DLH beat Trinidad and Mosley in their second fight.

I think DLH is an ATG because he fought the best and beat most of them. Yes he lost some fights but it was against the best of his time and there were some that he probably should have won but never got the decision.

A prime DLH was one hell of a fighter, there's no denying that.