In THIS era, can you be P4P #1 without great speed?

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  • QUISQUEYA
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    #11
    Originally posted by T-97
    I disagree on Oscar, in his prime he had very fast hands IMO. Hopkins is pretty fast, but I wouldn't say he was exceptionally fast...
    Oscar did used to be very fast. Hopkins - as recently as his last fight - was outspeeding his opponents. The fights Hopkins lost? Taylor and calzaghe. Guys who were faster.

    Odd?

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    • T-97
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      #12
      Originally posted by QUISQUEYA
      Oscar did used to be very fast. Hopkins - as recently as his last fight - was outspeeding his opponents. The fights Hopkins lost? Taylor and calzaghe. Guys who were faster.

      Odd?
      You haven't got to sell Hopkins to me, I'm a huge fan. He is fast, I just mean I don't think speed is his best asset. But he's no slow coach fo' sho'

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      • QUISQUEYA
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        #13
        Originally posted by mangler
        P4P just means if everybody had their same skill set and was the same size, the #1 guy would likely beat everyone. As long as you're the most dominant guy out there, I guess it don't matter how you win, just as long as you win. Could be w/ speed, power, workrate, whatever.
        Yes, I know, Captain Obvious. Thanks for the definition we all know.

        Right. But why aren't the high-workrate or power guys rising to the top? why is it the fast guys GENERALLY rising to the top?

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        • TheGreatA
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          #14
          Originally posted by QUISQUEYA
          Yes, I know, Captain Obvious. Thanks for the definition we all know.

          Right. But why aren't the high-workrate or power guys rising to the top? why is it the fast guys GENERALLY rising to the top?
          It's the complete fighters rising to the top. That has been the case in every era of boxing.

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            #15
            12 rounds, bigger gloves is to blame for this.

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              #16
              Originally posted by QUISQUEYA
              I was thinking about the P4P lineage recently.

              It goes (roughly) like this;

              Tyson => Chavez* => Pernell => Jones => Oscar => Shane => Hopkins => Mayweather => Pacquiao => Marquez**

              Tito might have held it for a minute. Maybe somebody else.

              But my observation is that each one of those guys happened to be the (or among the) fastest guy in his own weight class. Has something substantially changed about the boxing game where the slugger is becoming obsolete, or is at a clear disadvantage?

              * obvious exception
              ** write it down, bitches
              hopkins does not have great speed and neither does marquez. they are fast but not spectacularly fast

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