In THIS era, can you be P4P #1 without great speed?

[QUISQUEYA]

I was thinking about the P4P lineage recently.

It goes (roughly) like this;

Tyson => Chavez* => Pernell => Jones => Oscar => Shane => Hopkins => Mayweather => Pacquiao => Marquez**

Tito might have held it for a minute. Maybe somebody else.

But my observation is that each one of those guys happened to be the (or among the) fastest guy in his own weight class. Has something substantially changed about the boxing game where the slugger is becoming obsolete, or is at a clear disadvantage?

* obvious exception
** write it down, bitches

[MANGLER]

P4P just means if everybody had their same skill set and was the same size, the #1 guy would likely beat everyone. As long as you're the most dominant guy out there, I guess it don't matter how you win, just as long as you win. Could be w/ speed, power, workrate, whatever.

[THE REED]

Marquez is #2 in the world, and he isn't the fastest fighter out there...

[AztecWanker]

I think Hagler had it for a while. I don't think he was THAT fast but was great everywhere else.

[deliveryman]

I was thinking about the P4P lineage recently.

It goes (roughly) like this;

Tyson => Chavez* => Pernell => Jones => Oscar => Shane => Hopkins => Mayweather => Pacquiao => Marquez**

Tito might have held it for a minute. Maybe somebody else.

But my observation is that each one of those guys happened to be the (or among the) fastest guy in his own weight class. Has something substantially changed about the boxing game where the slugger is becoming obsolete, or is at a clear disadvantage?

* obvious exception
** write it down, bitches

Although not exactly slow, I don't think Hopkins nor Oscar had "great" hand speed.

[Chups]

P4P just means if everybody had their same skill set and was the same size, the #1 guy would likely beat everyone. As long as you're the most dominant guy out there, I guess it don't matter how you win, just as long as you win. Could be w/ speed, power, workrate, whatever.

That and many others.....including quality of opposition.

[T-97]

Although not exactly slow, I don't think Hopkins nor Oscar had "great" hand speed.

I disagree on Oscar, in his prime he had very fast hands IMO. Hopkins is pretty fast, but I wouldn't say he was exceptionally fast...

[QUISQUEYA]

Marquez is #2 in the world, and he isn't the fastest fighter out there...

But he kept losing to a faster guy...right? That is the reason he isn't #1.

Please refer to thread title.

[QUISQUEYA]

I think Hagler had it for a while. I don't think he was THAT fast but was great everywhere else.

in THIS era. Hagler retired over 20 years ago. And I don't even think he had it. Gotta go check.

[Spacey1991]

P4P just means if everybody had their same skill set and was the same size, the #1 guy would likely beat everyone. As long as you're the most dominant guy out there, I guess it don't matter how you win, just as long as you win. Could be w/ speed, power, workrate, whatever.

Summed it up.